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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  1 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 136

Today's Topics:
                Any good references for CP/M and Z80?
                     file truncation in CP/M 2.2?
                           STOIC Disk I/O ?
               Thanks for Info on Ada for CP/M Systems
                     The COMPAS Pascal Compiler.
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Date: Thursday, 26 May 1988  22:07-MDT
From: xanth!rlb@AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV (Robert Lee Bailey)
Subject: Any good references for CP/M and Z80?

My favorite CP/M and Z80 books are as follows:
 
	Mastering CP/M
	By Alan R. Miller
	(C) 1983 SYBEX Inc.
 
	How To Program the Z80
	By Rodney Zaks
	(C) 1980 SYBEX Inc.
 
	Z80 Assembly Language Programming
	By Lance A. Leventhal
	(C) 1979 Adam Osborne & Assoc. Inc.
 
I don't know if the books are still available, or if they're even
still in print. I've had these for many years.  The first two books
are excellent and I highly recommend them. 'Mastering CP/M is the
best CP/M programming manual that I have seen. It provides lots of 
good examples for BDOS/BIOS calls. 'How to program the Z80' is, in my
opinion, the best Z80 assembler book. It is even better than the
Zilog Z80 manual (and they invented the z80). This book was also 
available from Radio Shack but they have discontinued it.  If you
scour some of the smaller 'Shacks you may still find it. Their 
catalog number is 62-2006.
 
Good luck in trying to find 'em!

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Date: Tue, 31 May 88 17:17:52 PDT
From: Bridger Mitchell <bridger%newton@rand-unix.ARPA>
Subject: file truncation in CP/M 2.2?

Unlike CP/M Plus, CP/M 2.2 has no truncate-file function.  This
is a useful function when a large file (e.g. a database or library file)
needs to be "lopped off", or packed down, and there's a lack of disk
space to create a temporary duplicate file.

Is there a portable method of truncating a CP/M 2.2 file, using only
BDOS calls?  I believe the following approach will work so long as the
shorter file's final physical extent (i.e. directory entry) is the
same as the original file's:

	open the file
	get file size, to set extent, S2, and record count bytes
	change record count to new number of records in final
	  logical extent
	change extent number, if necessary, to new final logical
	  extent
	clear bit 7 of S2, to mark the file/fcb "modified"
	close the file
	use function 37 to log off the drive (use the FRESET routine,
	  or function 13, if run on the buggy DRI BDOS).

The BDOS will write the changed fcb (directory entry) to the directory
when the file is closed, then rebuild the allocation vector for the
drive using the new number of records.

BUT...what can be done if the truncation results in eliminating the
last physical extent(s)?  The BDOS internally opens and closes each
physical extent of a multi-extent file.  Suppose, for example, you read
randomly the last record you wish to keep in the new file and  it's
not in the last physical extent.  Then you use the procedure above,
and the intermediate extent will be modified in the directory.

But the final extent will remain in the directory, unchanged.  Disk
logins will continue to keep the data groups reserved in that entry
allocated; they are effectively stranded.  And directory utilities
that sort extents will be badly confused.  You'd like to "erase" just
that final extent.  But this can't be done by BDOS calls.  Or can it?

-- bridger mitchell

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Date: Tue, 31 May 88 19:16:28 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist / KXO)
Subject: STOIC Disk I/O ?

Has anyone ever modified the 8080 STOIC for CP/M-80 from SIG/M to read
and write sequential text files (or written code for use from STOIC) ?

It's set up to read source files like you load FORTH screen files for
execution but appears to stop short at that.

I'm looking for a minimal FORTH environment for CP/M-80 that does
sequential text file I/O in both limited TPA and COM-size to use from
a NEC 8500 laptop.

Thanks !

rcs

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Date: Tue, 31 May 88 20:26:25 PDT
From: dowst@VLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Henry P. Dowst)
Subject: Thanks for Info on Ada for CP/M Systems

Thanks to all of you who responded to my querry.  Much appreciated.

Henry Dowst

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Date: Tue, 31 May 88 13:56:56 ECT
From: DBRAATAN%NORUNIT.BITNET@CORNELLC.CCS.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: The COMPAS Pascal Compiler.

I tried a COMPAS pascal compiler some years ago. It ran on a Scandis 80186
computer. The computer is swedish. The compiler looked very much like
TurboPascal from Borland (this IS many years ago, so forgive me if I am
wrong).

Yoy may buy TurboPascal Ver 3.0 from Borland.

             Dag Henrik Braatane

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Date: Thu,  2 Jun 88 01:30:19 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #137
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu,  2 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 137

Today's Topics:
      Floating point routines for the (keep standing) Z80 wanted
                  Posting 8 bit sources and binaries
                     SIMCPM.IDX format converter
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Date: 31 May 88 12:49:59 GMT
From: mcvax!diku!dkuug!ambush!leif@uunet.uu.net  (Leif Andrew Rump)
Subject: Floating point routines for the (keep standing) Z80 wanted

Do you have acces or know where I can get hold on some floating point
routines for the Z80 (or 8080). It dosn't matter if it's PD or
something we have to pay for and it also (almost) dosn't matter if
it's source og a library ready for linking, as long as it can do the
following things:

      - Use 8-9-10 digits
      - Has trigonometric functions (sin, cos, ...)
      - Has other functions that you normally find in BASIC(!)

Please respond as quickly as possible!

Alternative reply path: ABC BBS, 06 80 05 44, 24h, 300/1200, 2:505/38

   Leif Andrew Rump, Ambrasoft A/S, Roejelskaer 15, DK-2840 Holte (Denmark)
 UUCP: leif@ambush.dk, phone: +45 2424 111; ABC BBS: +45 68 00 544 (2:505/38)

     "...with a liquid which was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea."
                                   - The Hitch hicker's Guide to the Galaxy

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Date: 25 May 88 13:15:23 GMT
From: necntc!ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (David Goodenough)
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries

From article <2038@copper.TEK.COM>, by michaelk@copper.TEK.COM (Michael D. Kersenbrock):
> 	.... Discussion of why usenetters can't post source & binaries to
>		comp.os.cpm

> SOLUTIONS:
> =========
> 	 b)  A new USENET group for binaries and sources:
> 
> 	 		comp.os.cpm.sources
> 
> 		(and allow both binaries and sources).
> 
> 	     This new group would NOT be gatewayed the the ARPA world.

To re-iterate a suggestion of mine vis a vis the comp.binaries.cbm discussion
would it not be possible to create a "cover-all" newsgroup, called
comp.programs.eight-bit
that contains everything. I.E. CP/M binaries, source, C64 / C128 BASIC
progs, assembler source, C source, Commodore binary executables. Yeah, I
know it'd be a real mish-mash, but there is a lot of interest in a CBM
binaries / source group (if you don't believe me, go look at the last two
weeks in comp.sys.cbm :-) Add to that the fact that I am now 12 mailings
behind on getting my assembler out to .UUCP sites, gives you some idea
of the amount of interest we have here.

Please note - I have cross posted to what I believe are the relevant
newsgroups, but followups are directed to news.groups (the correct
place for them) Watch that space for details.
-- 
	dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
							| +-+-+
	....... !harvard!adelie!cfisun!lakart!dg	+-+-+ |
						  	  +---+

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Date: 1 Jun 88 01:44:50 GMT
From: tektronix!midas!copper!michaelk@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael D. Kersenbrock)
Subject: SIMCPM.IDX format converter

NOTE: Yes, this technically is a source listing, but it is REAL short to
be counted as just a "letter".

The file SIMCPM.IDX which has a CP/M filelist (with descriptions) is in a
DBASE-II format of some sort.  Having a copy of the file, but NOT having
dbase results in a problem.

The real-short routine below was a 10-minute hack-job that converts that
format into a more-or-less nice readable format suitable for grepping.

Just thought I'd save y'all the ten minutes I spent....:-)

-----------------cut here--------------
/*
 * Filters SIMCPM.IDX into "nice text".
 *
 *			A quickie-hack by: Michael D. Kersenbrock
 *					   Aloha, Oregon
 *  Version 1.0  5/31/88
 */
#include <stdio.h>

char Line[500],Drive[100],Directory[100], Name[100];
char Description[100],Word2[100],Date[100];
int Version,Size,Type;

main() {
	register char *ptr,*p2;
	while (gets(Line) != NULL) {
		for (ptr = Line ; *ptr != '\0' ; ptr++) {
			if (*ptr == '"' || *ptr == ',') *ptr = ' ';
		}
		sscanf(Line,"%s %s %s %d %d %d %s %s %s",
	        	Drive,Directory,Name,&Version,&Size,&Type,Date,
			Description,Word2);
		strcat(Description, " ");
		strcat(Description, Word2);
		for (ptr = Line ; *ptr != '\0' ; ptr++) {
		    if (strncmp(ptr,Description,strlen(Description)) == 0) {
			strcpy(Description,ptr);
			break;
		    }
		}
		printf("%s%11s %12s %d %3dK ",
		    Drive,Directory,Name,Version,(Size + 512)/1024);
		putchar(Date[2]);
		putchar(Date[3]);
		putchar('-');
		putchar(Date[0]);
		putchar(Date[1]);
		printf(" %s\n",Description);
	}
}
-- 
Mike Kersenbrock
Tektronix Microcomputer Development Products
Aloha, Oregon

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Date: Fri,  3 Jun 88 01:30:30 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #138
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Fri,  3 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 138

Today's Topics:
                       Help with Bradford (tm)
                       MP/M for PCPI Applicard?
                   Need help with Unix FTP & KERMIT
             Posting 8 bit sources and binaries (2 msgs)
                    Summary of CP/M Ada Responses
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Date: Thu, 02 Jun 88 17:28:30 ECT
From: DBRAATAN%NORUNIT.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Help with Bradford (tm)

I have just got the BRADFORD program from SIMTEL20. It is in two files
called BRAD2-A.ARK and BRAD2-B.ARK. The program is made by Aaron
Contorer. It may bought from him together with a manual. What it
does? It print in Near Letter Quality with your non-letter-quality
printer.

My problem: Bradford uses the backslash () as a command character.
Command words in the middle of lines are preceded by a backslash.
But the backslash is defined as one of the special norwegian letters
in the norwegian ASCII code. That makes Bradford difficult for us
in Norway (and also Denmark and Sweden).

Do you know how to use another character as the command character?
Help would be very much appreciated...

        Dag Henrik Braatane

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Date: 2 Jun 88 18:24:25 GMT
From: ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu!ralphw@pt.cs.cmu.edu  (Ralph Hyre)
Subject: MP/M for PCPI Applicard?

PCPI doesn't really do software support for the thing anymore, so I
doubt this exists, but I just thought I'd ask. 

Just thought I'd ask - I have these Apple ]['s that don't do much anymore,
it would be interesting to play with an 8-bit multitasking system for a bit to
see what it feels like.  The PCPI Applicard has bank-switched memory (up to
256K in 32K banks), and a CTC chip option (for generating interrupts at 
regular intervals) Can MP/M use existing BDOS/BIOS code?

Thanks for any info.

 

-- 
					- Ralph W. Hyre, Jr.

Internet: ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu    Phone:(412)268-{2847,3275} CMU-{BUGS,DARK}
Amateur Packet Radio: N3FGW@W2XO, or c/o W3VC, CMU Radio Club, Pittsburgh, PA

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Date: 3 Jun 88 01:53:32 GMT
From: ut-emx!cc.rob@sally.utexas.edu  (James P. Price)
Subject: Need help with Unix FTP & KERMIT

Help!  They're getting rid of the TOPS-20 system here, and I need
help in getting files intact from SIMTEL20 via UNIX ftp and kermit.
The problem I'm having is that when I've done a GET from SIMTEL20 (via
'Type Tenex (8bit)' (ascii & binary don't work with .LBR's), and then
download to my Kaypro via kermit, the libary is no good.
 The .LBR directory is intact, as are all files that are normal ascii.
 The problem is with the crunched files.  NONE of them can be typed,
 uncrunched, or reassembled in any way.
  Do I have to ascify, bytify, or something-ify the file before I download
  it, or is the problem with FTP?
    Thanks,
       -Pat Price

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Date: 2 Jun 88  9:45 -0600
From: Ken Wallewein <kenw%noah.arc.cdn%ean.ubc.ca@RELAY.CS.NET>
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries 

>     To re-iterate a suggestion of mine vis a vis the comp.binaries. cbm
>discussion would it not be possible to create a "cover-all" newsgroup, called
>comp.programs.eight-bit that contains everything. I.E. CP/M binaries, source,
>C64 / C128 BASIC progs, assembler source, C source, Commodore binary
>executables. 

  Seems to me there's already a usenet newsgroup like that:
comp.sources.misc.

/kenw

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Date: 2 Jun 88 17:30:16 GMT
From: hpl-opus!walker@hplabs.hp.com  (Rick Walker)
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries

> > 	.... Discussion of why usenetters can't post source & binaries to
> >		comp.os.cpm
> 
> > SOLUTIONS:
> > =========
> > 	 b)  A new USENET group for binaries and sources:
> > 
> > 	 		comp.os.cpm.sources
> > 
> > 		(and allow both binaries and sources).
> > 
> > 	     This new group would NOT be gatewayed the the ARPA world.
> 
> To re-iterate a suggestion of mine vis a vis the comp.binaries.cbm discussion
> would it not be possible to create a "cover-all" newsgroup, called
> comp.programs.eight-bit
> that contains everything. I.E. CP/M binaries, source, C64 / C128 BASIC
> progs, assembler source, C source, Commodore binary executables. Yeah, I
> know it'd be a real mish-mash, but there is a lot of interest in a CBM
> binaries / source group (if you don't believe me, go look at the last two
> weeks in comp.sys.cbm :-) Add to that the fact that I am now 12 mailings
> behind on getting my assembler out to .UUCP sites, gives you some idea
> of the amount of interest we have here.

I would like to give one more vote FOR something of this sort.  The 
ARPA CP/M archives (SIMTEL et al.) are a great public service, but
are very inconvenient for us non-ARPA folks to use.

The result is that we never see any of the new software that 
gets absorbed into the ivory tower of the ARPA archives.

It is unfortunate that this situation is perpetuated by ARPA threatening
to drop their gateway if anyone even thinks of posting source or binaries
on the net.

A newsgroup for non-ARPA sites (specifically non-gatewayed) which
carried sources would be a great compromise.  The situation now
is far too biased towards the needs/wants/requirements of the ARPA
group, to the detriment of the community at large.

-Rick Walker  ...hplabs!hpl-opus!walker

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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 88 13:52:33 PDT
From: dowst@VLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Henry P. Dowst)
Subject: Summary of CP/M Ada Responses

There is an unvalidated Ada subset compiler called JANUS Ada available
from Workman & Associates for about $300.  There are also apparantly 
ads for others (Manx?) from time to time in Dr. Dobbs' Journal.  All 
seem to be unvalidated subsets, and are probably multiple pass and 
quite slow.

Henry Dowst

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Date: Sat,  4 Jun 88 01:30:13 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #139
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  4 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 139

Today's Topics:
                      Kaypro Screen Capture/Dump
                  Need help with Unix FTP and Kermit
                  Posting 8 bit sources and binaries
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Date: 3 Jun 88 16:47:51 GMT
From: rochester!ciaraldi@louie.udel.edu  (Mike Ciaraldi)
Subject: Kaypro Screen Capture/Dump

Thanks for the answers to my earlier question about VT100
terminal emulators for Kaypro.
I tried VT100KAY from the Simtel archives and it works pretty well,
although it sometimes messes up by doulbe-spacing when it shouldn't
(probably wrapping around on long lines or something).

Anyways, I'm now looking for a way to save screens for future reference.
Is there a program you can load it that will give you a hot key
that will either dump the current text screen out to the printer
(like the PrintScreen key on an IBM PC), or capture the current screen into
a file?

I tried KPVID, but this only puts graphics screens into a file
(at least I think that's what the documentation means), and it
is a separate command you have to run after getting out
of your program.

Or, do any of the terminal programs people recommended to me
have these features?  Just capturing the terminal session 
character by character (logging) is not good enough, because the cursor
is jumping all around the screen updating the display.

Thanks again for any help you can give.

Mike Ciaraldi
University of Rochester Computer Science
...rochester!ciaraldi or
ciaraldi@cs.rochester.edu

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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 88 15:56:00 CDT
From: jdb@ncsc.ARPA (Brown)
Subject: Need help with Unix FTP and Kermit

It sounds like you are running kermit on the unix machine with file type
set to text.  Since unix text format is

 a line of stuff<LF>

when it is sent out by things like ftp, kermit, xmodem, etc. they insert
a <CR> in front of the <LF>'s.  This works fine for text files but
wrecks havoc on binary files.

You can either invoke kermit with

kermit -xi

which sets kermit into server mode (the 'x') and sets file type to binary
(the 'i'), or run it with no parameters and do a 'set file type binary'
before going to server mode.  This is available in all the C-Kermit
versions that I have used. (currently using 4E(070) 29 Jan 88)

If you do download a text file while set to binary, the file will
contain no carriage returns and the lines
					 will trail
						   across the screen
								    like this.

There is a program available at Simtel20 that will un-unixize these
type files by adding the <CR>'s.  I don't have my list handy so I can't
tell you what it is called right off.

hope this helps.
david brown
jdb@ncsc.arpa

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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1988  05:48 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries

I spend a lot of time transferring new SIMTEL20 CP/M files to my RCP/M
and to GEnie's CP/M RoundTable so that non-Arpanet people can access
them.  My RCP/M is accessable via PC Pursuit and GEnie is only $5/hr
for downloading.

The "threat" of discontinuing the Usenet<-->Arpanet gateway is simply
a reality that on the Arpanet side the CP/M newsgroup is a mailing
list.  This sends out hundreds of copies of each posting and you can
see what large program postings would do to us.  It would not only
overload the mail system but it would result in many readers missing
the regular discussions because their disk quotas would be exceeded
and the Info-Cpm mail rejected.

--Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20.ARPA
and maintainer of the Info-Cpm mailing list.

Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
GEnie: W8SDZ
RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST)

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Date: Sun,  5 Jun 88 01:30:58 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #140
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sun,  5 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 140

Today's Topics:
                  Posting 8 bit sources and binaries
                            Screen Dumps 
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Date: 4 Jun 88 01:11:41 GMT
From: tetra!budden@nosc.mil  (Rex A. Buddenberg)
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries

The users of the 'arpa' side of the internet and the 'non-arpa'
are probably equally heterogeneous (myself, I'm actually on the
mil side).  So saying the usenet user needs are different
from an arpanet/simtel20 user is making a distinction where
there probably isn't any.

The problem is one of network abuse and capacity consumption.
If you post things like binaries, all those newsgroup sites get
tons of bits, whether the users want them or not.  The
solution within arpanet was to use simtel20 -- you only use
the network capacity you need to download what you want.

Unfortunately, we are running into a problem.  Defense Communications
Agency, which operates both the arpa and mil parts of DDN isn't
really in the business of providing us comms services as a free
good.  In a year or so, we will all be paying packet charges
for the services -- DCA has to pass the costs back to the users.
One of the unanswered questions is how you manage repositories like
Simtel20 or CU20B -- the costing algorithm does not account for
this at all.  Nobody in DCA really wants to kill them, but
they don't have a decent way to keep them providing the services.
Worse, while we can all see the benefits of these bboards, they
will be difficult to justify too -- who pays the packet charges
for bboard traffic?  The poster?  
If the reader is to incur them, he will have to pay
whether he actually reads or not.  Sticky.

So when Keith enforces the discipline, there are some very good
reasons.

Rex Buddenberg

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Date: Sat, 04 Jun 88 11:43:06 PDT
From: Bridger Mitchell <bridger%newton@rand-unix.ARPA>
Subject: Screen Dumps 

Although best known for its task-switching features, BackGrounder ii
(BGii) includes a screendump capability -- to file or printer.  It captures
ascii, but not graphics, characters when the hot-key/command is
pressed, then restores the cursor and screen to its original state.
This feature requires a screendriver.  Drivers are included for
both types of Kaypros ('83 and '84), Wyse 50, TVI, Heath/Zenith 19,
and a number of other terminals, as well as info on writing a new
driver.

For Kaypros, there are at least 2 roms that contain the low-level
primitives for dumping the screen to a character device.  The TurboRom
is one; I forget the name of another.  Dumping to a file requires
bdos-re-entrancy and therefore something like BGii.

--bridger mitchell

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Date: Sat,  4 Jun 88 09:39:12 GMT
From: SUR6GMS%CMS1.UCS.LEEDS.AC.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

About sequential file i/o for STOIC: YES!!!

An offering to the UK CP/M user group substantially updated stoic to add
a full screen editor, sequential file i/o, floating point and a few other
things.

It is probably easiest to get in touch with the user group direct:
    UK CP/M User Group
    72, Mill Road
    Hawley
    Dartford
    Kent DA2 7RZ
    England

You need discs UK 11 and 12.



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Date: Mon,  6 Jun 88 01:30:13 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #141
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Mon,  6 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 141

Today's Topics:
                       Help with Bradford (tm)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 5 Jun 88 03:30:58 GMT
From: xanth!rlb@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Robert Lee Bailey)
Subject: Help with Bradford (tm)

In article <8806022304.AA25094@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DBRAATAN@NORUNIT.BITNET writes:
>I have just got the BRADFORD program from SIMTEL20. It is in two files
>called BRAD2-A.ARK and BRAD2-B.ARK. The program is made by Aaron
>Contorer. It may bought from him together with a manual. What it
>does? It print in Near Letter Quality with your non-letter-quality
>printer.
>
>My problem: Bradford uses the backslash () as a command character.
>Command words in the middle of lines are preceded by a backslash.
>But the backslash is defined as one of the special norwegian letters
>in the norwegian ASCII code. That makes Bradford difficult for us
>in Norway (and also Denmark and Sweden).
>
>Do you know how to use another character as the command character?
>Help would be very much appreciated...
>
>        Dag Henrik Braatane

Bradford allows the command character (\) and the lead-in character
(.) to be redefined. Just insert the following command at the 
beginning of your text:

	.dcc~		{defines the tilde as the command char}
	.dcl^		{defines the caret as the lead-in char}

The .dcc command can be used to set any character to be the command
character.  Just substitute the desired character for the tilde. The
same applies for the .dcl command.

Bradford is actually a lot more powerful than the .DOC file indicates.
Many commands are not documented.  If you really find Bradford useful,
order a manual from the author.  It fully explains the use of ALL of
the commands.  The macro capabilities are quite extensive!  For the
price ($25 U.S.) it is a bargain.

You indicated that you got your copy from SIMTEL20.  As yet, I have not
figured out how to access SIMTEL20.  Could you give a brief explaination
of the commands used to access/download files?

	Bob Bailey

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  7 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 142

Today's Topics:
                 Getting Files from SIMTEL20 via FTP
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 88 07:38:39 PDT
From: dowst@VLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Henry P. Dowst)
Subject: Getting Files from SIMTEL20 via FTP

On our VAX you have to convert a .LBR or .ARC file from TOPS20 to VAX
file structure before downloading to a CP/M or MSDOS system with Kermit.
There is a program in a VAX library on SIMTEL20 called BINTNXVMS that 
does this.  First capture the .LBR file in 8 bit using ftp BINARY
command.  Then RUN BINTNXVMS.  (Keep the file to be converted in a
separate directory since BINTNXVMS.EXE converts everything in sight.)
Then capture the file with Kermit.  Be sure to set the file type to 
BINARY at both the host Kermit and the receiver Kermit.  Note that 
XMODEM (at least the version on our VAX) won't do.  We have to use 
Kermit.

Henry Dowst

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  7 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 143

Today's Topics:
                 How to access the SIMTEL20 archives
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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1988  09:24 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: How to access the SIMTEL20 archives

[Here is the latest "archive blurb"]

                     THE SIMTEL20 ARCHIVES

OVERVIEW

There is a collossal amount of free public domain software for the
CP/M, PCDOS/MSDOS and UNIX operating systems, and for the DoD standard
programming language, Ada, in several archives on SIMTEL20.ARPA, a
DECsystem-20 running the TOPS-20 operating system at White Sands
Missile Range.  Archives of correspondence for several newsgroups,
including INFO-CPM, are also available.

You can obtain these files using the InterNet file transfer
protocol, FTP (described in a following paragraph), with user-name
"anonymous". For a login password, use your host-name or any other
string of printing characters.  Throughout this message, FTP
examples are given in a GENERIC syntax.  You will have to consult
either local documentation or your friendly system wizard to learn
the actual syntax used with your local mainframe operating system.
For the sake of brevity, the domain suffix ".ARPA" will be dropped
from further references to SIMTEL20 in this discussion.

To obtain directory listings, connect to SIMTEL20 via FTP and do this:

  get pd2:<cpm>cpm.crclst
  get pd2:<cpmug>cpmug.crclst
  get pd2:<sigm>sigm.crclst
  get pd1:<msdos>msdos.crclst
  get pd1:<pc-blue>pc-blue.crclst
  get pd1:<misc>misc.crclst
  get pd2:<unix-c>unix-c.crclst
  get pd2:<ada>ada.crclst

The <CPM> archive is the one to watch for the very latest CP/M
offerings, as it is updated frequently.  The <CPMUG>, <SIGM> and
<PC-BLUE> archives contain software distributed by the CP/M Users
Group, the SIG/M Users Group and the PC-Blue Users Group respectively.
This software is available on diskettes from the associated users
groups, and the archives are updated as new volumes are issued.  The
<PC-BLUE> archive contains software for the IBM-PC and similar
machines.  Some runs under CP/M, and some under PCDOS/MSDOS.  The
<MSDOS> archive also contains software for the MSDOS and PCDOS
operating systems; but this archive is locally managed, and therefore
is updated more frequently than the <PC-BLUE> archive.  The <UNIX-C>
archive contains a variety of UNIX tools.  Those which apply
specifically to CP/M are in the directory <UNIX-C.CPM>.  The <ADA>
archive is growing rapidly. Information about this archive is in
directory PD2:<ADA.GENERAL>.  In general, the archived software is
very good, having been worked-over and refined by many users.  The
documentation and comments tend to be complete and informative.  Files
in all of these archives can be obtained using the FTP procedures
described in this message.

PLEASE NOTE: Due to the large number of files available, the archive
maintainers cannot possibly attempt to validate the proper operation of
the various programs.  When a program bug is reported, immediate action
is taken to either correct the error or remove the offending program
from the archives.  Still, users must understand that all archive
programs are offered AS IS, and the archive maintainers specifically
disclaim any liability should these programs malfunction or cause
damage, incidental or otherwise.  When testing ANY new software, be
certain that all information stored on disk is backed-up before you
start, so that you can recover if files are damaged or erased.  This is
particularly true if you have a hard disk, in which case malfunctions
can be spectacularly disasterous.

FILE TYPES

Files are stored in two formats: Text files such as those with names
that end with DOC, HEX, INF and ASM are sometimes stored as ASCII
files, but usually these files are stored in binary squeezed form.
Binary storage is also used for executable (COM) and library files.
Squeezed and library files are described below.  All binary data are
stored as four 8-bit bytes per 36-bit SIMTEL20 word, with the low-order
four bits of each word filled with zeros.  If such a file is
interpreted as a contiguous string, as will happen if a straight binary
transfer is made to a 16 or 32-bit UNIX machine, the four zero filler-
bits per 36-bit group will cause rather bizarre and frustrating
results.  The methods for dealing with this situation, which differ
from machine to machine, are explained in a following paragraph.

Squeezed and crunched files have been compressed using programs
available in directory <CPM.SQUSQ> to obtain a significant size
reduction.  Squeezed files can be identified by the letter Q in the
second letter of the extension field.  For example, the file
PD2:<CPM.ASMUTL>RMACPAT.AQM is a squeezed file.  It must be
transferred as a binary file, and then unsqueezed.  The unsqueezing
can be done on a CP/M system using USQ-xx.COM (where "xx" is the
current version) from directory <CPM.SQUSQ>, or there are several
host-based unsqueezers in the <CPM> and <UNIX-C> archives (see for
example, directories <MISC.TOPS-20> and <UNIX-C.CPM>).  Files with
the letter Z as the second letter of the extension field are crunched.
Uncrunch programs can be found in the same directories as the
unsqueezer programs.

CP/M library and archive files (those with names ending in LBR and ARK)
combine several regular CP/M files into a single BINARY file which
contains an internal directory of its contents.  LBRs are created using
the CP/M library utility LU310.COM or some other compatible utility.
The complete packages for LU310 and a newer compatible program called
NULUxx (where "xx" is the version) can be found in directory
PD2:<CPM.ARC-LBR>.  C-language source code for compatible UNIX
utilities for System V and Berkeley versions of UNIX are in directory
PD2:<UNIX-C.ARC-PROGS>.

For more information on ARC, ARK, LBR, squeezed and crunched files,
get PD2:<CPM>-FILES.DOC and/or PD1:<MSDOS>-FILES.DOC.

Although the type of storage used for a particular file can usually be
inferred from the file-name, this is not always true.  It is a good
idea to check the appropriate "crclst" file to ascertain the storage
format used for each file of interest.  Now, and for the foreseeable
future, storage formats for files in the <SIGM>, <CPMUG> and <PC-BLUE>
archives can be determined from their "generation numbers", as shown by
the FTP directory command.  For example, the FTP command:

  dir pd1:<pc-blue.vol001>

will yield results of the form:

  -CATALOG.001.2
  ABSTRACT.001.2
  BW.ASM.2
  BW.BAS.1
  BW.EXE.1
  COLOR.ASM.2
  COLOR.BAS.1
  COLOR.EXE.1
  ...and so on

All files with names ending in ".1" are stored in binary format, and
those with names ending in ".2" are stored in ASCII.  This relationship
will continue to apply for files in the <SIGM>, <CPMUG> and <PC-BLUE>
archives until further notice.

WARNING: Because the public domain archives on SIMTEL20 consume a huge
amount of disk space, storage capacity will be conserved by the
greatest practical use of libraries and squeezed files, both of which
are stored in binary format.  If you cannot properly transfer binary
files, you are going to be VERY FRUSTRATED!  If you need help, please
contact your local system wizard and provide him/her with a copy of
this message.  Having done that, if you are still unable to make things
work correctly, send a message to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA and
I will try to help you.  Please provide the following information:

 1. Machine and operating system  (e.g., VAX-11/780, 4.2 BSD UNIX)
 2. Network software in use  (e.g., 3-Com UNET)
 3. Complete list of available FTP commands  (e.g., GET, PUT, etc.)

Important files in the <CPMUG> and <PC-BLUE> archives are the
CATALOG files. These files, which are stored in ASCII, contain the
"-CATALOG.nnn" files from all the volumes of their respective archives.
To obtain these composite catalog files, connect to SIMTEL20 via FTP
and do this:

  get pd2:<cpmug>cpmug.cat
  get pd1:<pc-blue.vol000>pcblue.cat

Similar files exist for the <SIGM> archive, but they are stored in
squeezed form.  These files, when unsqueezed, yields SIG0.CAT and
SIG1.CAT (the catalog).  They can be obtained using the FTP command:

  get pd2:<sigm.vol000>sig0.cqt
  get pd2:<sigm.vol000>sig1.cqt

(NOTE: That's "L-and-three-zeros" in "vol000")

FILE TRANSFER VIA FTP

FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol, a formalized procedure for
moving files among machines on the Defense Data Network (DDN) and other
networks that connect with the DDN.  The protocol is implemented by a
program often called FTP.  The different mainframe operating systems
implement FTP with variations in command syntax.  Some systems have the
remote-file-name precede the local-file-name in the command.  Others
reverse this order.  Some versions have the whole command on a single
input line, while others use multiple lines.  Read the documentation
for your local system, or consult a friendly system wizard for the
details of your local FTP command syntax.

UNIX users can do something like "man ftp" for on-line instructions.
However, not all UNIX FTP programs are called "ftp", so you may have
to snoop around in the system directories or ask a system wizard for
the correct local name to use with the "man" command.  ITS users can
do ":INFO FTP", and "HELP FTP" works on TOPS-20 and some other
operating systems.  I will be happy to update this message with
pointers to other sources of on-line documentation if they are sent
to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA.

FTP transfers from SIMTEL20 can be made with user-name "anonymous".
Use GUEST for the password.  For anonymous logins, SIMTEL20 supports
the FTP "change working directory" command.  (Your local syntax may
be something like CD, or CWD).  Ignore the message which may appear
that prompts you to enter a password.  This command allows you to
specify a default SIMTEL20 directory to be used for all file
retrievals, and thereby relieves you from having to repeatedly type
"pdx:<whatever>" as part of each filename.  For example, you can do
something like this:

  cd pd2:<cpm.goodstuff>
  get filename-1
  get filename-2
  ...and so on

instead of using the longer filename forms shown in previous examples.

Users of TOPS-10, TENEX, TOPS-20 or ITS systems can use "image" or
"paged" mode for ALL transfers.  UNIX users must use "ascii" mode for
ASCII files, and "type tenex" or "type L 8" mode for binary files.
MULTICS users can use "ascii" mode for ASCII files, but binary files
require special treatment that is best described by the following
example provided by Paul Schauble <Schauble@mit-multics.arpa>:

 !ftp simtel20
  220 SIMTEL20.ARPA FTP Server Process 5Z(14)-7 at Mon 10-Sep-84 00:27-MDT

  user_ftp:  !login anonymous
  331 ANONYMOUS user ok, send real ident as password.
  Password:  !guest

  user_ftp:  !quote "type l 8" <--(NOTE: That's lowercase "L" 8.)
  200 Type L bytesize 8 ok.

  user_ftp:  !get micro:<cpm.zcpr3>alias.hlp alias.hlp
  150 Retrieve of MICRO:<CPM.ZCPR3>ALIAS.HLP.1 started.
  226 Transfer completed.
  Total elapsed time:  35.7 seconds.
  4348 bytes transferred in 18.5 seconds (1850 bits/sec).

  user_ftp:  !quit
  221 QUIT command received. Goodbye.

Lines beginning with "!" are typed by the terminal user. The received
files are stored on MULTICS with one 8-bit byte per 9-bit word, and can
be transferred to a microcomputer with Kermit (described in a
following paragraph).

All aspects of the FTP process for UNIX machines have been automated
to a high degree by a program in directory PD2:<UNIX-C.CPM>. With this
program, a simple command like "mb modm700.com" can connect to
SIMTEL20 and transfer the binary file "modm700.com" from directory
PD2:<CPM.MODEM7> to a local file also named "modm700.com", all with no
user intervention.  Batch command files containing multiple lines of
the form in the above example can be run in no-hangup background mode
to transfer whole directories without the user even remaining
logged-in on his local system.  For more information, get the file
PD2:<UNIX-C.CPM>AUTOFTP-DOC.TXT.

PROGRAMS FOR TRANSFERRING FILES AMONG MAINFRAMES AND MICROS

Christensen Protocol Mainframe Programs:

For a micro to reliably exchange files with a mainframe, cooperating
file transfer programs with automatic error detection and
retransmission of faulty blocks must be running on both computers. One
such family of programs uses a popular protocol created by Ward
Christensen and enhanced by others.  Directory PD2:<UNIX-C.XYZMODEM>
contains several programs, XMODEM, UC and the older UMODEM (all
written in C), which implement this protocol on UNIX machines.  See
the file PD2:<UNIX-C>UNIX-C.CRCLST for a list of other useful UNIX
utilities.

On ITS machines, file transfer using the Christensen protocol can be
done using MMODEM (type :MMODEM for instructions), or LMODEM.
Documentation for LMODEM is in file .INFO.;LMODEM HELP. Other useful
ITS utilities include:

 TYPE8  - types an ASCII file stored in ITS binary format.
 TYPESQ - types an ITS binary format "squeezed" file (see the first
          paragraph under FILE TYPES).
 USQ    - creates an unsqueezed version of a squeezed file.
 HEXIFY - creates an Intel hex format file from an ITS binary format
          COM file.
 COMIFY - creates a COM file from an Intel hex file.
 CRC    - computes the Cyclic Redundancy Check value for a file, using
          the same algorithm that is used by the CP/M program CRCK.

Brief instructions for any of these utilities except LMODEM can be
obtained by typing ":utility_name" (for example, :CRC).

The ITS utilities listed above are also available for use with TOPS-20,
but since ITS binary format is no longer being used for the SIMTEL20
archives, these utilities have been converted to work with TOPS-20
binary formats.  A collection of TOPS-20 utilities for transferring and
manipulating files can be found in directory PD1:<MISC.TOPS-20>.  See
PD1:<MISC>MISC.CRCLST for a list of available programs.

File transfer and conversion utilities for use with VAX/VMS machines
are contained in directory PD1:<MISC.VAXVMS>.  See MISC.CRCLST for
details.

Christensen Protocol Microcomputer Programs:

An excellent program for transferring files between micros, or between
micros and mainframes is called MODM700.  This program, often referred
to as MODEM7 (the name of its easier to pronounce ancestor), uses the
popular Christensen protocol to transfer files with automatic error
detection and retransmission of erroneous blocks.

To get started with MODM700, you should first FTP and examine the "DOC"
and "MSG" files from the binary library file PD2:<CPM.MODEM7>MODM700.LBR.
The "DOC" and "MSG" files are actually stored in the library in
squeezed form, so you will have to perform three steps to get them:

   1. FTP the binary library file.
   2. Extract the elements having filename extensions of "DQC" and
      "MQG". If you have no facilities for doing this on your
      mainframe host (see the earlier comments on mainframe-based
      library utilities), then you will have to transfer the library
      to a microcomputer and extract the necessary elements there.
      If this requirement seems to put you in a "Catch-22" situation
      because you have no facilities for mainframe-to-microcomputer
      transfers, there is a way out; read the "Getting Started"
      section which follows.

   3. Use an "unsqueezer" (described above) to convert the "DQC" and
      "MQG" files extracted from the library into "DOC" and "MSG"
      files. As in the case of the library extractions, unsqueezing
      can be done on either a mainfrome host or a microcomputer,
      depending on your circumstances.

Together, these files will tell you just about all there is to know
about getting MODM700 to run on your machine. Take the time to read
them; they're quite informative.  You will also get some helpful
insights from reading some of the overlay files. These overlays,
described in file PD2:<CPM.MODEM7>M7OVL-yy.LST, are used to customize
MODM700 for particular machines without having to edit and assemble
the huge MODM700 source file.  Complete instructions for performing
this procedure are contained in each overlay file.  The letters "yy"
in the above filename should be replaced with two digits giving the
current version number as determined from CPM.CRCLST.

And then, there is MEX. MEX stands for "modem executive", and it is
just what the name implies, a communications and file-transfer
program with a built-in mini operating system that runs under CP/M.
This program can do file transfers using either the Christensen or
Compuserve protocol, and it has an enormous potential for highly
automated operations because it can read and execute command-scripts
pre-stored in disk files.  These scripts can include sending
commands to a remote computer, as if they had been sent manually
from the microcomputer in terminal-mode.  Users of this relatively
new program are still exploring its possibilities.  For more
information, look in CPM.CRCLST under the heading "PD2:<CPM.MEX>",
and then get the various files that have "DQC" and "IQF" in their
names.  These DOCumentation and INFormation files are stored in
squeezed form (note the "Q" in the filename extensions), so you will
have to unsqueeze them.  Overlays for MODM700 will also work with
MEX, but they will not provide all of the extended MEX features.

Kermit:

Another excellent program for transferring files is called KERMIT. This
program has the advantage of being available for an impressively large
number of mainframes and micros. It is, for example, available for the
IBM-PC, and it DOES NOT require CP/M.

To get started with KERMIT, connect to CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU using FTP,
and do this:

  get ker:aaaread.me

Note that this file is NOT on SIMTEL20, and the name is subject to
change.  If you cannot find a file with this name, snoop around in the
first half-dozen or so files in the alphabetical listing obtainable
using the FTP directory command:

  dir ker:

You should find something useful.

  Questions can be addressed to INFO-KERMIT-REQUEST@CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU.

Getting Started:

In order to get MODM700, MEX or KERMIT running on your micro, you must
first transfer the necessary files from mainframe to micro. If you
already have a receive-to-disk communications program of some sort, you
can use it to move the needed files.  In the long-run it is essential
to be able to transfer 8-bit binary files, but initially it is not
absolutely necessary.  Some of the files are quite large.  For example,
MODM700.COM is over 18K bytes, and the HEX file (which you will need if
you can't transfer 8-bit files) is over 45K.  Moving large files to
your micro without using an error detecting protocol can result in
frustrating errors, but it can be done by receiving multiple copies and
using manual or machine-assisted comparisons to locate and repair bad
parts of the code.  However, there IS a better way.

Directory PD2:<CPM.STARTER-KIT> contains a short starter-program called
PIPMODEM.ASM that can be FTPed to your mainframe, printed, and then
entered into your microcomputer by hand and assembled.  This can then
be used to down-load either MBOOT3.ASM or BMODEM.BAS (depending on
whether you prefer assembly language or BASIC), both of which can
receive files using the error detecting Christensen protocol.  Once you
have this capability, you can download the full-function file transfer
program of your choice.  To examine this option, connect to SIMTEL20
via FTP and do this:

  get pd2:<cpm.starter-kit>pipmodem.asm
  get pd2:<cpm.starter-kit>pipmodem.doc
  get pd2:<cpm.starter-kit>mboot3.asm
  get pd2:<cpm.starter-kit>bmodem.bas
  get pd2:<cpm.starter-kit>bmodem.doc

All are ASCII files.  Read PIPMODEM.DOC first, then look at MBOOT3.ASM
and BMODEM.DOC.  PIPMODEM.DOC explains the situation very nicely.
Questions concerning these programs should be sent to
INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA (NOT to INFO-CPM-REQUEST).

NEWSGROUP CORRESPONDENCE ARCHIVES

Copies of correspondence for several newsgroups are kept on SIMTEL20
in directories with names of the form PD2:<ARCHIVES.KEYWORD>, where
"KEYWORD" has been chosen to indicate the associated newsgroup. At
present, the following correspondence archives are available:

     newsgroup        mail archive filename
  ---------------     ---------------------
  ADA-SW              PD2:<ARCHIVES.ADA-SW>
  AMETHYST-USERS      PD2:<ARCHIVES.AMETHYST>
  INFO-68K            PD2:<ARCHIVES.68K>
  INFO-APPLE          PD2:<ARCHIVES.APPLE>
  INFO-CPM            PD2:<ARCHIVES.CPM>
  INFO-FORTH          PD2:<ARCHIVES.FORTH>
  INFO-HAMS           PD2:<ARCHIVES.HAMS>
  INFO-MICRO          PD2:<ARCHIVES.MICRO>
  INFO-XMODEM         PD2:<ARCHIVES.XMODEM>
  INFO-MODEMXX        PD2:<ARCHIVES.MODEMXX>
  INFO-MODULA-2       PD2:<ARCHIVES.MODULA-2>
  NORTHSTAR-USERS     PD2:<ARCHIVES.NORTHSTAR>
  INFO-PASCAL         PD2:<ARCHIVES.PASCAL>
  UNIX-SW             PD2:<ARCHIVES.UNIX-SW>
  INFO-XENIX310       PD2:<ARCHIVES.XENIX310>

Descriptions of these and other newsgroups can be obtained via FTP with
anonymous login (as for SIMTEL20) from the Network Information Center's
host SRI-NIC.ARPA.  Ask for the file PS:<NETINFO>INTEREST-GROUPS.TXT
(an ASCII file).  And please note, this is NOT on SIMTEL20.

File names for SIMTEL20 newsgroup correspondence archives have two
forms. For example, PD2:<ARCHIVES.CPM>CPM.ARCHIV.ymmdd is a group of
files containing INFO-CPM correspondence going back several years. The
characters "ymmdd" in the file names are actually digits giving the
year, month and day of the last message in each particular file.  Current
correspondence is kept in the file PD2:<ARCHIVES.CPM>CPM-ARCHIV.TXT, which
is constantly changing. Although INFO-CPM has been used as an example
here, the same naming scheme is used for the other newsgroup files as
well.  For a complete list of available files, connect to SIMTEL20 via
FTP and do this:

  dir PD2:<ARchives>

You will receive a list of names of the form:

  KEYWORD.DIRECTORY.n

where "n" is one or more digits.  For example, the INFO-CPM listing
currently appears as "CPM.DIRECTORY.1"  To then get a list of files in
a particular archive, do this:

  dir PD2:<ARchives.keyword>

where "keyword" (for example, "cpm") is chosen from the preceding list,
and the word "directory" and the number "n" are not used.  At present,
all of these files are stored in ASCII.

ADDITIONS, IMPROVEMENTS AND CORRECTIONS

Suggestions for additions, improvements and corrections to this message
are always welcome. Please send them to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA.

Contributions of public domain software are actively solicited.  If
you have something that seems appropriate for inclusion in the <CPM>,
<MSDOS> or <MISC> archives, please contact Keith Petersen
<W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>.  Likewise, contact Richard Conn
<ADA-SW-REQUEST@SIMTEL0.ARPA> if you wish to contribute to the <ADA>
archive, and Dave Curry <UNIX-SW-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA> if you have
something for the <UNIX-C> archive.

     Happy computing!

     Keith Petersen
     W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA

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Date: Wed,  8 Jun 88 01:30:14 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #144
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  8 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 144

Today's Topics:
          FTPing binary files from SIMTEL20 to VAX/VMS hosts
                 Jupiter Ace Accesories, Parts Sought
                   Need help with Unix FTP & KERMIT
              Posting cp/m sources and binaries (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1988  16:00 MDT
From: "Frank J. Wancho" <WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: FTPing binary files from SIMTEL20 to VAX/VMS hosts

If you have been FTPing our binary files from SIMTEL20 to your VAX/VMS
host using the Wollongong TCP/IP ftp program and either getting
garbage or post-processing the result with the BINTNXVMS program to
fix the file, here is the correct sequence of commands:

binary
quote "type l 8"
get filespec    or mget filespec (if all the filespec files are binary)

Do NOT use bget.  The above sequence results in correctly formatted
files without the use of the BINTNXVMS program.

There is a tenex command, but this was incorrectly implemented and
has been fixed for the next release of TWG ftp for VAX/VMS.

--Frank

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 88 13:01:32 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, DEC (USA))
Subject: Jupiter Ace Accesories, Parts Sought

Many moons ago there was a Z-80 based micro with FORTH in ROM called
a Jupiter Ace.  If anyone out there knows where I can get accesories,
peripherals, parts, or just wants to compare notes please get in
touch with me.  I'm trying to build an external keyboard and serial
interface for it, and then maybe port the FORTH to CP/M-80 and/or make
a cross-compiling environment from CP/M-80 to use the Jupiter as a
controller.

Anybody know of a source of 22 X 2 edge card connectors ?

Thanks,
Richard

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Date: 6 Jun 88 14:01:30 GMT
From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix!rusty@uunet.uu.net  (Rusty)
Subject: Need help with Unix FTP & KERMIT

In article <2992@ut-emx.UUCP> cc.rob@ut-emx.UUCP (James P. Price) writes:
>Help!  They're getting rid of the TOPS-20 system here, and I need
>help....

If you are sending 8bit data, better check to be sure your modem (if it is
a 'smart' version which puts 2 uarts between your computer and the computer
you are modeming with) is set for 8 bits, as well as your comm program.

Otherwise, you would lose bit 7 (or 8, if you like counting bits from 1, or 0
if you count backwards) on EVERY byte.  Not bad for ascii, terrible for binary.

Of course, you could 'uuencode' it, assuming that is possible on the system
you are downloading from.  Procedure would be:  uuencode it on the host,
send it and capture locally (it is now 'only' ascii chars), uudecode it on
your machine.  But binary is much faster.
---
    Rusty Carruth	N7IKQ	DOMAIN: rusty@cadnetix.com
    Cadnetix Corp.		UUCP:   cadnetix!rusty
    5775 Flatiron Pkwy.	        	{uunet,boulder,nbires}!cadnetix!rusty
    Boulder, CO 80301		(303) 444-8075

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Date: 2 Jun 88 10:32:48 GMT
From: mcvax!ukc!warwick!rolf@uunet.uu.net  (Rolf Howarth)
Subject: Posting cp/m sources and binaries

In article <2038@copper.TEK.COM> michaelk@copper.UUCP (Michael D. Kersenbrock)
writes:

>PROBLEM:
>=======
>	  a) People want to post and receive CP/M program source and binaries.
>	  b) This if fine for those on the "Usenet" side of this newsgroup.
>	  c) This is "forbidden" on the ARPA side of the newsnet gateway.
>	  d) Nothing is posted to usenet side to keep the ARPA side happy.
>	  e) The ARPA side has ftp access to SIMTEL20, the USENET side does
>	     not.
> ...
>SOLUTIONS:
>=========
> ...
>	 b)  A new USENET group for binaries and sources:
>	 		comp.os.cpm.sources
>		(and allow both binaries and sources).
>	     This new group would NOT be gatewayed the the ARPA world.

Hear here.

This seems to be far and away the best solution. If sources are
posted to usenet and available from simtel20 on arpa, surely that
should keep everyone happy?  Shutting down the gateway seems rather
drastic and unecessary, as it does operate quite satisfactorily for
discussions.  The suggestion to put a header like "_PROGRAM_" in the
subject field and filter such articles out at the gateway would be
very difficult to enforce.

At the moment I (and doubtless many other Usenetters) have absolutely
no access to CPM programs, which is mildly irritating. Requests by
mail for response from servers such as simtel20 always fail somewhere
along the line.

Will somebody formally propose a new group comp.os.cpm.sources then?
It's not clear whether it would be best to have it moderated or
unmoderated. Perhaps it should be moderated if the volume is likely
to be high, to ensure it gets propagated to Europe. Any volunteers?

(US usenetters complaining that people on Internet mailing lists don't
appreciate they're only part of "the" net note: the same applies to
them - Europe is part of the net too!)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rolf Howarth,			  Tel:	  +44 203 523523 ext.2485
Dept. of Computer Science,	  JANET:  rolf@uk.ac.warwick.flame
University of Warwick,		  ARPA:   rolf@flame.warwick.ac.uk
Coventry,  CV4 7AL,  England.	  UUCP:	  {uunet,mcvax}!ukc!warwick!rolf
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1988  09:47 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Posting cp/m sources and binaries

Usenet readers, if you are having no success in accessing the server
at cicge.rpi.edu to get files from SIMTEL20 please send a note to me
via netmail (not through the newsgroup) so I can examine your return
address to see what the problem is.  Sometimes using another gateway
host will solve the problem.

--Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the CP/M and MSDOS archives at SIMTEL20.ARPA [26.0.0.74]
Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
GEnie: W8SDZ
RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST)

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Date: Thu,  9 Jun 88 01:30:07 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #145
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Thu,  9 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 145

Today's Topics:
                       ZCPR33 for the Kaypro 1
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 88 12:11 CDT
From: RICHARD KERSHENBAUM <RICHARD@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: ZCPR33 for the Kaypro 1

I recently bought a Kaypro 1 -- at $199 from COMB, I couldn't resist.  Shortly
thereafter, I discovered the system-specific ZCPR3 implementation
(pd2:<zsys.install>k1z3in.lbr) on SIMTEL20 and installed it on my machine. It
works great and added many useful features, but unfortunately it won't run many
of the new utilities designed specifically for ZCPR 3.3. 

Is there a similar Kaypro 1 installation package for ZCPR33 elsewhere on
SIMTEL20?  If not, could someone who's installed it make one available? 

				Richard Kershenbaum   

				richard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
				richard@ukanvax.bitnet

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 01:30:32 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #146
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 10 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 146

Today's Topics:
                     file truncation in CP/M 2.2?
         Latest Z-System for Kaypro (and All Other Machines)
                  Posting cp/m sources and binaries
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 2 Jun 88 14:25:49 GMT
From: necntc!ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (David Goodenough)
Subject: file truncation in CP/M 2.2?

From article <8806010017.AA28247@newton.arpa>, by bridger%newton@RAND-UNIX.ARPA (Bridger Mitchell):
> 
> Unlike CP/M Plus, CP/M 2.2 has no truncate-file function.  This
> is a useful function when a large file (e.g. a database or library file)
> needs to be "lopped off", or packed down, and there's a lack of disk
> space to create a temporary duplicate file.
> 
> Is there a portable method of truncating a CP/M 2.2 file, using only
> BDOS calls?

[description of how to do it]

Yes - changing the file size (.fcb + 0fh) will do what you want - this is
how xsub works.

> BUT...what can be done if the truncation results in eliminating the
> last physical extent(s)?
> ..... But this can't be done by BDOS calls.  Or can it?

No it can't. but it CAN be done portably with BIOS calls. By inspecting
the bios tables (use the "get dpb address" function from bdos) you can
figure out exactly where the directory is, and how big it is. Now keep
on reading directory sectors using bios till you hit the one with the
extent that you want to nuke. Now just replace the first byte in the 32
byte entry with 0e5h, write it back (see caveat) and voila!
CAVEAT: whatever you do, when you write this sector back, reuse the
bios select disk, track, and sector routines, AND MAKE SURE C CONTAINS 1.
At least one bios I've seen destroys the track/sector info on each
read/write, so it's a good idea to reset them. Setting C to 1 forces
the write to happen: usually on bioses where the sector size is
greater than 128 bytes (i.e. all 5.25" DD versions) when a write happens,
the data is just buffered, and only gets flushed when another write to a
different sector occurs. By making C == 1, it forces the bios to write,
hence the directory is kept up to date.

Easy Huh? :-) :-)
-- 
	dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
							| +-+-+
	....... !harvard!adelie!cfisun!lakart!dg	+-+-+ |
						  	  +---+

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Date: Thu 09 Jun 1988 13:24:53 EDT
From: <SAGE@LL.ARPA>
Subject: Latest Z-System for Kaypro (and All Other Machines)

   Richard Kershenbaum asked about ZCPR33 for his new Kaypro 1.  I would
recommend that you order the new automatic, universal, dynamic Z-System
called NZ-COM.  It installs automatically on a CP/M-2.2 machine, includes
ZCPR34, and allows the operating system to be changed on the fly so that
you can trade off system features with TPA dynamically, depending on what
task you are working on.  I just finished the 70+ page manual today, and
it will be on its way to the printer tomorrow.  Cost is $69.95 from me or
from Joe Wright, Alpha Systems, 711 Chatsworth Place, San Jose, CA 95128.
You will not be disappointed.
 
                               Jay Sage
 

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Date: 7 Jun 88 12:44:52 GMT
From: bungia!com50!kksys!bird@umn-cs.arpa  (0000-Mike Bird)
Subject: Posting cp/m sources and binaries

If you'll be posting binaries, then I think the group should be
moderated.  Otherwise, there'll be too great an opportunity for
irresponsible person(s) to post malicious programs nested within
seemingly useful utilities, etc.  

Of course, there is always the problem then of who to moderate.  I'm
afraid that this may be a stumper.
-- 
================================================================================
Mike Bird (These opinions are mine, dammit!)   Mail paths:  bird@kksys.UUCP -or-
Void where prohibited by law.                       ...rutgers!umn-cs!kksys!bird

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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 88 01:30:32 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #147
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 11 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 147

Today's Topics:
        Having Compupro/Concurrent Dos problems and need help.
                       INFO-CPM Digest V88 #145
                 Info wanted: Mitsubishi M4854 drives
                   PD terminal prog for C128 needed
                  Posting 8 bit sources and binaries
                           S-100 clearance
                        Zcpr 3.3 (?) (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 10 Jun 88 22:41:54 GMT
From: ergr@violet.Berkeley.EDU  (Energy Ergr Resources Group)
Subject: Having Compupro/Concurrent Dos problems and need help.

We at the Energy and Resources Group are having a problem with our
Compupro 8/16 running DRI's Concurrent Dos.  All of a sudden we can
no longer read drives C and D (our hard disk Dos partitions) and can
no longer write our A and B drives (our hard disk CPM partitions).

Our sysop hasn't done a backup in 6 months or else we'd just
reformat and go from there.  But right now we need a hard disk recovery
program, or at least a file recovery program to get some of this stuff
back.  Does anyone know of such a program that runs on these hybrid DOS/
CPM systems, and where can we get it soon?  Thanks for your help.
Michel Gelobter, Energy and Resources Group, University of California, 
Berkeley.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 01:13:32 PDT
From: pnet01!mwilson@nosc.mil
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #145

Richard:

     Z33 can be *easily* installed into the package you already have.  If you
have a Z3BASE.LIB file for the configuration you're running, all you have to
do is assemble ZCPR33.Z80 with that as input.  Then slam the resulting .HEX
file into your system image.

     If you don't have Z3BASE.LIB, it gets a little more complicated.  Use
Z3LOC to build Z3BASE.LIB.  You should have a copy of your configuration
floating around, anyway.


     About two years ago, I did a manual install for ZCPR3 for my Ampro
LB/Z80.  When I got Z33, all I did was re-assemble.  It *is* a drop-in
replacement.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
     UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson
     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: 8 Jun 88 19:01:10 GMT
From: pacbell!att!mtunx!whuts!homxb!antique!whb@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Wilson H. Bent)
Subject: Info wanted: Mitsubishi M4854 drives

Our group is in desperate need of working Mitsubishi M4854 disk drives;
the 1.2MB, 5 1/4" drives with the 8"-lookalike electronics.  Of the two
we have, one is on the fritz (possibly head alignment), so repair info
would be appreciated, but we REALLY need a total of three working drives.

Mitsubishi's California headquarters says "Use the MF504A instead."
We say "It's not 100% compatible."  They say "Tough."

Additional info: these drives are for use on a Pulsar Electronics (from
Australia) Z80 cpu card with built-in disk controller (Western Digital
FD1797, but there's more to it than that).

If you know of a source of these drives or a KNOWN GOOD repair service,
feel free to CALL COLLECT - I work for the Right Choice.

Please note that this message is being WIDELY cross-posted.  My apologies
to those offended by this practice.
-- 
Wilson H. Bent, Jr.		... ihnp4!hoh-2!whb
AT&T - Bell Laboratories	(201) 949-1277
Disclaimer: My company has not authorized me to issue a disclaimer.

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Date: 11 Jun 88 03:28:58 GMT
From: sunybcs!bowen@boulder.colorado.edu  (Devon E Bowen)
Subject: PD terminal prog for C128 needed

I'm looking for a CP/M terminal program for the C128. It's got to be
able to download in either xmodem or kermit format (preferably xmodem).
Alternatively, I could use a program to convert a file on a disk in
normal cbm format to the cbm CP/M format. Then I could download this
stuff with any cbm terminal program and transfer it.

If anyone has a terminal program that they wouldn't mind sending me
for a SASE I'd be grateful. A conversion program could be mailed to
me via the net and downloaded. Thanks for any help.


Devon Bowen			Packet:    KA2NRC@WA0PTV
University at Buffalo		BITNET:    bowen@sunybcs.BITNET
				Internet:  bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU
UUCP: ...!{ames,boulder,decvax,rutgers}!sunybcs!bowen

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Date: 7 Jun 88 17:03:00 GMT
From: killer!tness7!ninja!sys1!techsup!kenb@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Subject: Posting 8 bit sources and binaries

in reference to keith's posting about the availability of sources on his
rcpm and genie...  i've downloaded many sources he's placed there
without problems..  in fact, i prefer it.  i don't have to worry about
code that's gotten munged or truncated while passisng through a site, and
in the case of binary files -- i don't need to worry about splicing all
the parts and uudecoding.

connect charges are low enough on genie at 1200 baud to make it a
reasonable option.

i really don't care to take sides on this issue, however i did feel the
need to back up keith's claim that the files are posted, are available,
and at what i consider to be a very reasonable price (toll call/genie).

i appreciate his efforts in this area.

ken brookner  n5lpi
uucp:	...!ihnp4!techsup!kenb

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Date: 8 Jun 88 06:45:03 GMT
From: abhg!carpet!bill@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Bill Kennedy)
Subject: S-100 clearance

I have a considerable inventory of S-100 bus components, all working
when last used, documentation for most if not all of it.  For example,
four Tarbell double density disk controllers (software for them too),
Godbout Z80 CPU cards, various and sundry memory cards, I/O cards, etc.
There's also a decent collection of CP/M and CP/M-86 software on 8"
diskettes, all with documentation too.

I need to make some room and am willing to part with these treasures
for *very* reasonable prices.  I mean like free to a charitable outfit
who can use it, or a youngster getting started.  Like $10-20 for a
known-to-work 4MHz Z80 CPU, etc.  The only hitch is that no documentation
goes without the card for which it was written :-)  There are a couple
of Imsai chassis and DSDD 8" floppy systems too.  No doc on the Imsai's.

Is anyone out there interested in such stuff?  If so, please email to
the signature address.  I'm on the road and I don't get either of these
groups when I'm gone.  Email will find me...
-- 
Bill Kennedy  Internet:  bill@ssbn.WLK.COM
                Usenet:  { killer | att-cb | ihnp4!tness7 }!ssbn!bill

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Date: 10 Jun 88 03:19:32 GMT
From: oliveb!intelca!mipos3!cadavr!dbraun@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Doug Braun ~)
Subject: Zcpr 3.3 (?)

In article <9600@e.ms.uky.edu> simon@ms.uky.edu (Simon Gales) writes:
>I have a simple z80 cp/m 2.2 box, and would like to upgrade to a better
>world.  The new world must be compatible with vanilla cp/m, and I would 
>really have to have sources.  Zcpr seems to be just a command processor,
>is there more to it?  How involved is the installation procedure?  Are
>there any usefull books on any of this?

Me too.  I have heard of several CP/M BDOS and BIOS replacements,
both commercial and public domain.  Could someone post a brief list
describing what's what?

x
x
x
x



Doug Braun				Intel Corp CAD
					408 765-4279

 / decwrl \
 | hplabs |
-| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun
 | amd    |
 \ qantel /

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Date: 9 Jun 88 03:33:35 GMT
From: simon@g.ms.uky.edu  (George Simon)
Subject: Zcpr 3.3 (?)

I have a simple z80 cp/m 2.2 box, and would like to upgrade to a better
world.  The new world must be compatible with vanilla cp/m, and I would 
really have to have sources.  Zcpr seems to be just a command processor,
is there more to it?  How involved is the installation procedure?  Are
there any usefull books on any of this?
							Thanks in advance,
									Simon

<-------------------------------------------------------------------------->
<---   Simon Gales@University of Ky 	            254-9387/257-3597 	--->
<---   			[ simon@ms.uky.edu ]  |  [ simon@UKMA.BITNET ]   		--->
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Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
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To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 12 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 148

Today's Topics:
                          Altos 580, BBS's.
                                Help!
                       Help with Bradford (tm)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 11 Jun 88 04:25:45 GMT
From: killer!elg@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Eric Green)
Subject: Altos 580, BBS's.

[munch]

I have "inherited" an Altos 580. For those of you with short memories,
this is a 4-user MP/M-II system circa 1983. It has a 10 megabyte hard
drive, and is just sitting there, doing nothing but collecting dust
(along with my ultra-modern Hazeltine terminal, which I similarly
aquired). I've used the machine a little, and it's quite a neat
machine, but I'm afraid it's a little outdated alongside of the Amiga
on the next desk.

My question: Is there a BBS program that can be used with this
machine? I am aquainted with RCP/M and CBBS, but the only versions
I've ever seen ran on CP/M 2.2 systems... are there MP/M versions?

Seems a shame, really... can run a quite adequate BBS with a 10 meg
drive.

--
Eric Lee Green    ..!{ames,att,decwrl,ihnp4,mit-eddie,osu-cis}!killer!elg
          Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509              
"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse?"

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Date: 9 Jun 88 22:07:56 GMT
From: uw-entropy!dataio!pilchuck!ssc!happym!polari!L5@june.cs.washington.edu  (L5)
Subject: Help!

I just purchased a Xerox 820-II with 8'inch disk drive and internal hard
drive. The hard drive has a few programs on it but after trying the reconfigure
program without any manuals i changed something i shouldnt have, resulting in
not being able to access the hard drive anymore. Its not that the drive is
nuked or anything, i just need a dos disk - If anyone has a boot-able system
disk for this machine PLEASE by all means leave me e-mail! Im sure i can 
work out a means of payment. 
 
Driving me crazy! I can't use the bloddy machine.. help?

Logan Black
(206) 735-9067

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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1988  17:45 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Help with Bradford (tm)

The following is relayed from GEnie's CP/M RoundTable.
Aaron is the author of BRADFORD.

---forwarded message---
>From:   A.CONTORER              Aaron M. Contorer
>To:     W8SDZ                   Keith Petersen, GEnie CP/M SysOp
>Sub:    Bradford backslash character

Dear Keith:

Thank you for forwarding the letter from Mr. Braatane
(Dag Henrik Braatane, DBRAATAN@NORUNIT.BITNET).  Please
send him this reply:

----------
Like all aspects of operating Bradford, changing the command
character is explained in the manual, which you obtain when you
send in the $25 registration fee.  To change the command
character, put the following command at the beginning of your
document:  .DCC@    This will change the command character to
be the atsign symbol.  If you prefer, use .dcc! or .dcc~ or
whatever character you want as the command character.

Aaron Contorer

=END=

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 88 09:28:05 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #149
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 14 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 149

Today's Topics:
               MEX-Plus Terminal Emulation Information
                 The New Z-Systems: NZ-COM and Z3PLUS
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon 13 Jun 1988 13:40:36 EDT
From: <SAGE@LL.ARPA>
Subject: MEX-Plus Terminal Emulation Information

There have been a number of requests for information about MEX-Plus and its
terminal emulation capability.  The following is offered to answer what
questions I can at this point.  I do not use the emulation on my CP/M
machines, so I cannot offer comments from first-hand experience.  Even on my
Compaq 386, I use the emulation only in its simplest form (i.e., not talking
to programs that expect to see a real VT100 terminal).
 
I finally located a copy of the MEX manual with the pages on the emulation
package.  It is a combined manual (CP/M and IBM-PC), so I cannot be sure at
this point that all of the features are supported in the CP/M version.
 
Here is what the manual says about the DEC VT52/100 emulator (taken from
manual -- I don't even understand what all these things mean).
 
----------
 
The VT52/100 emulator supports the following features of the DEC VT100
terminal:
 
    VT52 support       Cursor Up          Cursor Down        Cursor Left
    Cursor Right       Cursor Position    Cursor Read        Newline
    Char Insert        Char Delete        Line Insert        Line Delete
    Reverse Screen     Scrolling Region   "Origin" Mode      Auto-Wrap
    Cursor Pos.        Index              Reverse Index      Next-Line
    Horiz. Tabs        Erase Line         Device Status      Dev. Attributes
    Identify Term.     Report Cursor Pos.
 
        Save/restore cursor and attributes
        Select graphics dendition (bold/blink/reverse vid/underline)
        Clear screen: full, start-screen-to-cursor, cursor-to-end
        Clear line: full, start-line-to-cursor, cursor-to-end
        Alternate character sets (excluding VT100 optional ROMs)
 
Not supported are the answerback message, smooth-scroll, 132-column mode,
printer functions, terminal self-tests, and keyboard LED's (although all the
escape sequences associated with these functions are accepted).
 
Version 1 of the VT100 emulator does not support any interactive setup; this
will likely be added in a future release.  Also, the numeric keypad keys
function only in "numeric" mode; "alternate" mode is not supported.
 
----------
 
The manual also lists the escape sequences transmitted by some of the
special keys on the IBM PC keyboard.  I have not reproduced that information
here.
 
Unfortunately, because the manual is geared toward IBM PCs, it does not list
the functions that must be supported by the host terminal.  From some of the
functions listed, it would appear that beyond the ordinary ones, there
must be support for insert and delete line and probably insert and delete
character.
 
If anyone is seriously interested in acquiring MEX-Plus with the terminal
emulation packages, I will do some experiments or inquire of the author (Ron
Fowler, who used to read this newsletter but appears no longer to be
active).
 
                Jay Sage
 

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Date: Mon 13 Jun 1988 11:56:11 EDT
From: <SAGE@LL.ARPA>
Subject: The New Z-Systems: NZ-COM and Z3PLUS

   The following item is submitted in response to a number of inquiries
I have received over the net.
 
   Joe Wright, Bridger Mitchell, and I have just completed NZ-COM and
Z3PLUS, new versions of the Z-System that are automatic, universal, and
dynamic.  NZ-COM runs on CP/M-2.2 computers; Z3PLUS runs on CP/M-Plus
computers.  NZ-COM does run on Apple CP/M cards.
 
   They are automatic in that no installation is required.  In particular,
no changes have to be made in the BIOS.  There is no need for source code,
editing, assembling, MOVCPM, SYSGEN, or DDT.  The Z-System can be removed at
any time by issuing a command that reinstates the user's underlying CP/M
system.  Joe Wright invented the basic technique with his Z3-DOT-COM and Z-
COM products several years ago.  Bridger Mitchell has (hooray!) extended the
technique to CP/M-Plus systems, and many very substantial enhancements have
been added.
 
   The new systems are universal in that system modules can be provided in a
file format that can be used on any system with memory allocated for that
module.  Bridger Mitchell invented a new relocatable file format which we
call ZRL, for Z-system ReLocatable.  It is based on the seldom-used named
common facility supported in advanced assemblers.  For example, the new
command processor, ZCPR34, can be supplied as a small, binary file (e.g.,
ZCPR34.ZRL) that can be loaded into any CP/M-2.2-based Z-System, no matter
how its memory is configured (Z3PLUS has an equivalent command processor). 
There is no longer a need to assemble from source code with a Z3BASE.LIB
file configured to describe the user's particular system.  The same is true
for RCPs, FCPs, DOSs, and other code modules.
 
   My contribution to the effort (besides the version 3.4 command processor)
was to make the operating systems dynamic.  It is no longer necessary to
make a static, once-and-for-all trade-off between Z-System features and
program memory space.  The operating system is now more like an application
program -- it can be changed at any time, even right in the middle of a
multiple command line.  It can be changed manually or automatically under
the control of aliases that use the Z-System flow control facility.
 
   Now you can allocate memory (1.5K typically) for an IOP (input/output
package) only when you are actually using an IOP.  When a memory-hungry
application program is to be run, you can drop the two largest buffers, the
RCP and IOP, which usually take 3.5K of memory.  If you need still more
room, you can drop the NDR and FCP.  You can make a minimum Z-System that
takes only 1.0K and still provides its most important features.  If your
application requires absolutely every available byte of memory, you can drop
back to CP/M.  Using SUBMIT, even this process can be automated!  The Z-
System can disappear, an application can run under standard CP/M, and the Z-
System can be reestablished, all automatically as a result of a single user
command!  You never even know that Z-System was gone.
 
   With NZ-COM's system definition utility MKZCM (MaKe Z-Com) you can define
the sizes of the following modules: CCP, DOS, BIOS, IOP, RCP (resident
command package), FCP (flow command package), NDR (named directory
register), shell stack, and an all-purpose user buffer.  The latter can be
used for "above-BIOS" items like DateStamper, BYE, special drivers, and so
on.  In the case of the shell stack, you can define both the size and number
of stack entries supported.  And, by the way, that was not a misprint above
-- you can define systems with nonstandard CCP, DOS, and BIOS sizes.  This
allows for some rather interesting experiments and configurations.  Z3PLUS
allows similar capabilities.
 
   You can now have several versions of command processor or DOS and load a
new one with a simple command.  NZCOM is supplied with four significant
variants of the command processor; Z3PLUS includes two versions, one of
which puts the time in the prompt.  Similarly, with NZ-COM you can switch
between ZRDOS (supplied with NZ-COM) and other versions of the DOS now (or
soon) available, such as P2DOS, Z80DOS, ZSDOS, and ZDDOS.  (Z3PLUS uses the
CP/M-Plus DOS.)
 
   Each product includes an extensive manual (more than 70 pages in 'IBM'
format binder, written by me and Bridger Mitchell) covering the particular
product and Z-System in general.  There are many examples and hints.  Each
product is priced at $69.95 for the standard version including the necessary
operating system files and a minimum set of Z utilities.  NZ-COM is offered
in a version with some sources (including the source to ZCPR34) at $99.95. 
Eventually there will probably be some higher priced versions that include a
more extensive set of Z utilities on diskette.  For those who have access to
Z-Nodes, Royal Oak, or Simtel20, there will be no need to spend the extra
money on these versions.  For those who for some unusual reason cannot use
NZ-COM (or for the stubborn who insist on an inferior, manually installed
system), the source to ZCPR34 is available separately at $49.95.
 
   For those who have not heard, Joe Wright's Alpha Systems has taken over
the marketing of Z-System from Echelon, which is essentially out of
business.  Orders for the new products can be placed with any of the
following sources:
 
        Alpha Systems (Joe Wright)
        711 Chatsworth Place
        San Jose, CA 95128
        408-297-5583 (voice)
 
        Sage Microsystems East
        1435 Centre Street
        Newton Centre, MA 02159
        617-965-3552 (voice -- but a recorder except evenings, since my wife
                is now away [as I will be from 6/23 to 7/14])
        617-965-7259 (modem, 24 hr, pw=DDT, VISA/MC orders
                and download delivery)
 
        Plu*Perfect Systems (Bridger Mitchell, for Z3PLUS)
        410 23rd Street
        Santa Monica, CA 90402
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 88 01:30:52 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #150
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 15 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 150

Today's Topics:
                               MEX-Plus
                      Osborne I comm programs(?)
                              PX-8 BBSes
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 88 13:47:48 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, DEC (USA))
Subject: MEX-Plus

	Is MEX-Plus for CP/M-80 PD or do you buy it from NiteOwl ?
	I'd love to have it... I use straight PD MEX v1.14 now.

	rcs

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1988 08:11 PAC
From: Marty Zimmerman  <POSTMAST%IDUI1.BITNET@CICGE.RPI.EDU>
Subject: Osborne I comm programs(?)

This is a plea for help from anyone with knowledge of the Osborne I and
it's communications ports.  A co-worker has one of these machines and
needs to use it as a simple dumb-terminal.  The machine has a serial
port that is connected to an Osborne internal modem, but we have been
unable to make the modem work with the version of Kermit for the Osborne.

1) Does anyone know the dialing commands for the Osborne internal modem?

2) Is there other PD/Shareware communications software that will work on
   an Osborne?

3) Are there any good sources for information on Osborne questions?

Forgive me if these questions are a bit broad.  My experience with CP/M
machines is limited to a DEC Rainbow.  That means I usually give up
on any question I can't answer myself, since the manufacturer has
declared its product officially dead! :-)

Thanks in advance,

Marty Zimmerman <POSTMAST@IDUI1.BITNET>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 88 07:02:31 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, DEC (USA))
Subject: PX-8 BBSes

	FYI according to the latest copy of Pico magazine:

	"PXDOCK" exclusively devoted to the Epson PX-8 Geneva -
	300/1200/2400 bps, 24 hours

	313/538-6968

	rcs

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 88 01:31:11 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #151
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 16 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 151

Today's Topics:
                             APL for Z-80
                 Communication Programs for Osborne-1
                   Looking for MICROEMACS - editor
                               MEX-Plus
                       otrona attache (2 msgs)
               SIGM missing from the Bitnet file server
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 88 07:23:12 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, Digital Equip. Corp. USA)
Subject: APL for Z-80

Hopped on Royal Oak the other day and to my surprise there's an APL
for Z-80s using CP/M-80.  Has anybody played with it ?

You really need an APL terminal to use it, shifting in and out to
the APL character set. Has anybody ROMed or softwared an APL
terminal for an Apple //e, Xerox 820, or NEC 8500 ?  I have an
APL terminal program for my Commodore-64 but that's only 40
columns (I snarfed it from CompuServe).  I don't have a IBM-PC or
clone yet but if APL things can be had for that beast I'd be 
interested in that too.

I know you can buy APLs for the Atari 520/1040, Amiga, Mac, and
PCs... but I'm just interested in playing terminal to use the
Z-80 one.

Thanks,

rcs

ARPA:		secrist%msdsws.dec@decwrl.dec.com
DEC E-net:	msdsws::secrist
USEnet:		{ decvax, allegra, ucbvax... }!decwrl!msdsws.dec.com!secrist

"Go FORTH and Conquer !"

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Date: Wed 15 Jun 1988 09:24:44 EDT
From: <SAGE@LL.ARPA>
Subject: Communication Programs for Osborne-1

   Marty Zimmerman asked about information and communications programs for      
the Osborne-1.  The First Osborne Group (FOG) has an extensive network of       
bulletin board systems that support Osborne computers.  The Boston Computer     
Society has an Osborne Group, now merging along with my CP/M Group into the     
Kaypro Group.  I do not have the appropriate phone numbers handy right now,     
but I could get them if you are interested (I don't know where you are          
located).                                                                       
   There certainly are versions of MDM740, IMP, and MEX114 communication        
programs with overlays for the Osborne.  If you have access to SIMTEL20,        
you can get any of them.  I am not sure what complications are introduced       
by the use of the internal modem.                                               
                                                                                
           Jay Sage                                                             
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 88 15:40:12 MEZ
From: UZR50D%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Looking for MICROEMACS - editor

Hi 'Microemacs' - people,
I found in the PD:<MISC.MICROEMACS> library at the Simtel20 archive 57
ASCII entries for the MICROEMACS program and 1 BINARY file "ME1040.PRG".
On what machine runs the above PRG - file and is the rest the sources
for the MICROEMACS - editor? Because I come from BITNET and have no
direct access to the Simtel20 archive I have to use the File Server
at RPICICGE in BITNET which accepts only a few requests per day, user
and host.

Has anybody in netland yet ordered the above stuff and perhaps made an
ARC - or LBR - file to compress the whole (in the archive there are
as already mentioned only ASCII - files; that's to big to order) ?
If so could she/he then post it to me ?

I would be glad if somebody could anwer me for the above theme.


Thanks so long     Ralf Schukey  (UZR50D@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET)

------------------------------

Date: Wed 15 Jun 1988 09:24:36 EDT
From: <SAGE@LL.ARPA>
Subject: MEX-Plus

   Perhaps I should have said it clearly in my previous message, but MEX-Plus   
is the commercial (non-public-domain) version of MEX.  It costs $59.95 from     
NiteOwl Software or its dealers.  With MEX-Pack, which includes the terminal    
emulation modules and a module for remote operation, the price is $99.95.       
The main differences that I can think of now between MEX114 and MEX-Plus        
(version 1.65B) are: much more extensive scripting capability, support for      
YMODEM batch and 1K-block protocols, support for Kermit and Compuserve          
protocols, fancier video displays.                                              
                                                                                
   The address and phone number I have for NightOwl are:                        
                                                                                
              NightOwl Software, Inc.                                           
              Route 1, Box 7                                                    
              Fort Atkinson, WI 53538                                           
              1-800-NITEOWL (i.e., 1-800-648-3695) but not in Wisconsin         
              1-414-563-4013 (Wisconsin or elsewhere)                           
                                                                                
   My wife's company, Sage Microsystems East (SME), is a dealer.  For orders    
placed and delivered by modem, the number is 1-617-965-7259 (password is        
DDT, 24-hour operation, 300/1200/2400 bps).  For download orders, SME can       
generally deliver within one day (you leave your order with credit card         
information, and a private file is left for downloading by the next day).       
However, we will both be away from June 23 to July 15.                          
                                                                                
    Jay Sage                                                                    
 

------------------------------

Date: 14 Jun 88 17:53:13 GMT
From: ellis@YALE-BULLDOG.ARPA  (Douglas Ellis)
Subject: otrona attache

I have the following problem:

I have an Otrona Attache which is a CP/M machine whose
company folded a while ago. I have several floppies which
have WORDSTAR files on them. I need to get these files
onto a system I can use (unix based if possible). My drives
are broken. Is there a way to transfer something like this to
a unix system. Can it be done without the machine itself.

Thanks for any info.


ellis-douglas@cs.yale.edu

------------------------------

Date: 15 Jun 88 10:46:40 GMT
From: wilker@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (Clarence W. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: otrona attache

Or get my program readcpm off GENIE PC roundtable to read CP/M disks on IBM PC.
Or if you have patience, send me the disks at 
Clarence Wilkerson, Dept. Math., Cornell University,
Ithaca New York, 14853
Please send copies only. I'll be out of the country til 2oth July
However.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 88 11:13:57 EDT
From: "John S. Fisher"  <FISHER%RPICICGE.BITNET@CICGE.RPI.EDU>
Subject: SIGM missing from the Bitnet file server

Through some as yet unknown program bug, the directory list for SIGM has
vanished from the file server at RPICICGE.BITNET.  At present, all requests
for SIGM files or directory lists receive the cryptic reponse "Cannot seem
to find SIGM".  The condition is temporary; as soon as a new copy of the
SIGM file list can be fetched from Simtel20, service will be restored.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 88 01:30:51 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #152
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 17 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 152

Today's Topics:
            Micro Cornucopia SOG VII Technical Conference
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 15 Jun 88 21:51:11 GMT
From: tektronix!tekgen!tekred!billr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bill Randle)
Subject: Micro Cornucopia SOG VII Technical Conference

	MICRO CORNUCOPIA  SOG VII, TECHNICAL CONFERENCE
	JULY 14-16			   BEND, OREGON

SOG (the Semi-Official Get-Together) is Micro Cornucopia's annual
conference for the hardware and software designers who need to
get away from their benches and into the Oregon Cascades.

This is the place where leading edge technical folks can relax,
let the chips fall where they may, and join discussions that carry
through to dawn.

Thursday has always meant white water rafting on the Deschutes
River followed by a western cookout. This year, you've got a choice
for Thursday. We're also offering a full-day, hands on introduction
to desktop publishing (includes lunch and the western cookout).

Friday and Saturday are filled with information. Speakers from through-
out the U.S. (and the world) bring their expertise to the podiums
at Central Oregon Community College (COCC). From 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
we're offering a wide selection of topics. After 5, of course,
the talk gets serious and the serious get talking.

Saturday evening's the final event and it's always been great fodder
for discussion. Jim Warren, founder of the West Coast Computer
Faire, will be here to stir up our ideas of computers.

So join Jim, and Microsoft, and Oregon Software, and Intel, and
Logitech, and, well, everyone else and help us continue our trad-
itionally non-traditional technical forum.

		ABOUT BEND

We hold SOG in Bend beacuse Bend is a great place to hold things.
The campus looks out across national forest to the Three Sisters.
We've got lakes, quiet mountain streams, some of the most famous
fly fishing waters in the country, internationally known rock climbing,
Lava Caves National Depressions, the Pine Mountain Observatory,
and real wilderness only 20 minutes away.

In fact, when iot comes down to it, the reason why many attendees
return year after year (and bring spouses or special others) might
just be the beauty of the area. That's why Micro Cornucopia is
here. Really.

		REGISTRATION HOURS

Our registration table will be set up at Pinckney Center starting
Wednesday, July 13 at noon. Thursday registration hours will start
at 6:30 a.m.-5:00 p.m.. Friday and Saturday hours will run from
7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m..

		ACTIVITIES

THURSDAY, JULY 14

Rafting:
You can choose between a 2 1/2 hour raft trip with 3 miles of class
I-III rapids. Your price of $32 per person includes the Old Fashioned
Barbeque. Check in at the Pinckey Ceneter registration table before
11 a.m. Thursday for raft scheduling. OR... An all day expedition
down the lower Deschutes River Canyon approximately 1 1/2 hours
from Bend. This trip includes class I-IV whitewater with 7 major
rapids. A deli lunch and the Old Fashioned Barbeque are included
in the $70 per person price. Busses leave Thursday morning at 7:30
a.m. sharp. Check in at the registration table by 7:00 a.m. for
a head count and bus loading.

Intro to Desktop Seminar:
A day-long introduction to desktop publishing. You'l be introduced
to "scanning", "Ventura'ing", "PageMaking", computer graphics gen-
eration...the works. You'l break into groups for design competitions
and problem solving. Plus you'll get fed! Included in the $65 price
are lunch and the barbeque cookout. This seminar must be prepaid
and will run from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Check in at the registration
desk Thursday morning.

Old Fashioned Barbeque:
Will be held at Shevlin Park Thursday evening. Price for the bar-
beque is $10 for adults. Thursday night Barbeque is included in the
price of all raft trips.

FRIDAY, JULY 15 & SATURDAY, JULY 16

Lectures and Workshops:
(See below for speaker list.) These two days will be filled with
lectures, workshops, and forums. We'll be discussing new C compilers,
C++, a new AI language, and more. For you hardware people PC Tech
will be there in force to talk about graphics and extended memory
boards. We'll continue with parallel processing and the transputer
and delve into desktop publishing, fractals and packet radio.

Second Annual Build Your Own System:
Friday night, MicroSphere will be hosting another "Build Your Own
Computer" night at SOG. They will be offering 8088 based XT, 80286
based AT, and 80386 kits at special SOG proces. As with last year,
shipping the system home can be arranged. Contact Dave Thompson
or Cindy Johnson of MicroSphere at 503-388-1194 for more information
and a registration form.

Saturday Night Banquet:
An all you can eat affair at the college with Keynote speaker Jim
Warren, founder of the West Coast Computer Faire. Cost for the
banquet is $12 for adults.

		LIST OF TALKS
FRIDAY, JULY 15
"How To Get Your Tachnical Book Published," Louis Baker
"Generic Microprocessors/Hitachi HD641016," Joe Bartel, Hawthorne Technology
"Why C Is Not The Devil's Programming Language," Bill Weinmann
"Chaos 101", Mike Sequeira
TBA, Jim Warren
"C++ Grows Up," Bruce Eckel, Micro C Writer
"Micro Channel Architecture," Gregg Tolleson, Intel Corp.
"All About SCSI", Bill Davidson, PC Tech
"3D Graphics On The 34010,", Earl Hinrichs, PC Tech
"Inside Logitech's Modula 2," Willy Steiger, Logitech
"The Design Of Programming Languages," Greg Lobdell, Microsoft
"Drive Diagnostics," Allyn Franklin, Drive Masters
"Staff Forum," Micro C Staff
"Stress And The Entreprenuer," Reese Sheperd

SATURDAY, JULY 16
"Psuedo-Concurrency Using Turbo Pascal," Mike Donovan
"Diagnostic Software For The XT & AT," Don Doerr, National Advancement Corp.
"Numerical Applications," Tom Ochs, Scientific Software, Inc.
"C Compilers And C Tools," Scott Ladd
"Neural Control And Parallel Programming With Transputers," Andy Bakkers
"Communications Protocols," Chuck Forsberg
"Starlan, Ethernet, & Cheapernet," Greg Wolfson & Earl Brabandt, Intel Corp.
"Trilogy: Designing A New Language," Paul Voda, Comlete Logic Systems
"Advanced Graphics Processors," Dean Klein, PC Tech
"Loran Systems," Bill Davidson, PC Tech
"Packet Radio," Mike Vore
Software Forum: "Object Oriented Languages," Panel Discussion

	------------------------------------------------
		REGISTRATION FORM

Number		Events				Price	Total
---------------------------------------------------------------------
_______|___All day raft trip & BBQ____________|_$70.00_|_____________
       |				      |        |
_______|___2 1/2 hour raft trip & BBQ_________|_$32.00_|_____________
__Adult|				      | Adult  |
_______|___BBQ Only_(incl. in raft trips)_____|_$10.00_|_____________
       |				      |        |
___________Thursday Desktop Seminar___________|_$65.00_|_____________
__Adult|				      | Adult  |
_______|___Saturday night banquet_____________|_$12.00_|_____________
       |				      |        |
_______|___Non-subscriber attendance fee______|_$25.00_|_____________

Check enclosed_______   Register by July 1, 1988        Total
			Number attending in group____	Enclosed_____
Exp__________		Signature____________________
Card Number______-________-_______-__________
Name_________________________________________
Company______________________________________
Address______________________________________
City___________________ State____ Zip________

Micro Cornucopia  P.O. Box 223   Bend, Oregon     1-503-382-5060

Some Micro C suggestions for motels. Other extremes in price and
luxury are also available.

Bend Riverside Motel, $28-$44, 389-BEND
Dunes Motel, $31-$39, 382-6811
Plaza Motel, $21-$24, 382-1621
Thunderbird Motel, $35-$60, 389-7011
Pilot Butte Motor Inn, $20-$24, 382-1411
Red Lion Motel, $44-$56, 382-8384
Best Western Woodstone Inn, $38-$48, 382-1515
Lara House (B & B), $45-$60, 388-4064
[Also, brand new, just opened:
 Super 8 Motel, ?, ?
 Hampton Inn (mini-suite w/breakfast), $35-$45, ?
]

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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 88 01:30:17 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #153
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 18 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 153

Today's Topics:
                             KAYPRO help
                    Mod7 or Kermit for Xerox 16/8
            Need info on Osborne-1 power supply? (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri 17 Jun 88 08:09:09-PDT
From: D-ROGERS@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA
Subject: KAYPRO help

I have a friend who obtained a used Kaypro with no documentation, same-same
the NEC Spinwriter.  Can someone share suitable settings for baud rate,
parity, etc. so that the two will talk to each other?  what switch settings
will yield, for example, 1200 baud, 1 stop bit, no parity on the Spinwriter;
and how do we set up the Kaypro to send the char's that way?

*ALSO*, anyone know where documentation for these beasties can be purchased?

advTHANXance, friends, 			[dale]
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 88 8:11:25 EDT
From: "Paul V. Pullen" <pvpullen@CRDEC-VAX2.ARPA>
Subject: Mod7 or Kermit for Xerox 16/8

Does anyone on the net own a Xerox 16/8 and have either MDM7XX or Kermit that
operates on it.  If so, could we send a disk to get a copy of the com file?

Please send answers direct to:

		gecook@crdec-vax1.arpa

Thank you!

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Date: 16 Jun 88 17:28:53 GMT
From: astroatc!niemi@speedy.cs.wisc.edu  (Bob Niemi)
Subject: Need info on Osborne-1 power supply?

Once again the Astec power supply in my Osborne 1 has gone south for the
winter without waiting for winter.  Thought I would try to fix it instead 
of shotgunning it this time, but I have no information, schematics, etc.
I would appreciate if someone could mail me a print, or tell me where to
get one.  

Also, I recall an article (in FOGHORN?) identifying the cause of
frequent power supply failures, but I can't find it in my limited
resources.  If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

Bob Niemi, Astronautics, 5800 Cottage Grove Rd., Madison, WI 53716
Phone (608) 221 9001, Home (608) 592 3462,  ...uwvax!astroatc!niemi

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Date: 17 Jun 88 15:54:10 GMT
From: wilker@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (Clarence W. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Need info on Osborne-1 power supply?

I bought a non-functioning Osborne I at a garage sale. Where
is a source of technical information ( schematics, etc? );
This one works as far as showing the initial prompt. However,
it flickers badly if the keyboard is attached, and will not
boot. Clarence Wilkerson

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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 88 01:30:32 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #154
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 19 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 154

Today's Topics:
                    Compupro CPU-Z Board For Sale
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Date: 13 Jun 88 21:32:28 GMT
From: att!mtunx!pacbell!nonvon!apn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Alex P Novickis)
Subject: Compupro CPU-Z Board For Sale

I have a few S100 items for sale.

Morrow 6mhz z80 card, excelent for firmware development, since
memory mapping and HARDWARE breakpoints/traps are included.
$50.00

Fulcrum Floppy disk controller, caching w/CPU on bpard. Controls
4 8's  4 5's and up to 4 hard disks... also supports ram drives.
Supports MS-DOS and/ro  CP/M
$70.00

256k 8mhz ram cards Piceeon systems. Works with 16 bit or 8 bit.
$40.00 (No ram) Usess 4164's
$50.00 With RAM


Many many others , please inquire.

Alex P Novickis [software engineering consultant]            +1 707 575 9616
UUCP: {ames,sun,lll-crg,pyramid}!pacbell!nonvon!apn          CS: [76056,601]
USMAIL: 1635 Ditty Ave, Santa Rosa, CA 95403	    BITNET: EEFA02P@CALSTATE
| Only those who attempt the absurd     I think, I think it's in my basement|
|  ..will achieve the impossible.       Let me go upstairs and check. -esher|




-- 
Alex P Novickis [software engineering consultant]            +1 707 575 9616
UUCP: {ames,sun,lll-crg,pyramid}!pacbell!nonvon!apn          CS: [76056,601]
USMAIL: 1635 Ditty Ave, Santa Rosa, CA 95403	    BITNET: EEFA02P@CALSTATE
| Only those who attempt the absurd     I think, I think it's in my basement|

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 88 01:30:30 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #155
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 20 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 155

Today's Topics:
       Epson runoff print formatter now available from SIMTEL20
         WADE interactive sumbolic Z80 debugger now available
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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1988  17:27 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Epson runoff print formatter now available from SIMTEL20

Now available via standard anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20.ARPA...

Filename			Type	 Bytes	 CRC

Directory PD2:<CPM.LIST>
EP-COMS.ARK.1			BINARY	 28692  1F3EH <--excecutables
EP-DOCS.ARK.1			BINARY	 77649  1BC5H <--documentation
EP-ECHED.ARK.1			BINARY	 28914  AF71H <--font editor
EP-FONTS.ARK.1			BINARY	204330  B08BH <--the fonts
EP-INFO.ARK.1			BINARY	  6117  9052H <--describes all this
EP-MISC.ARK.1			BINARY	 18675  AC74H <--misc compiler files
EP-SRC.ARK.1			BINARY	138938  F053H <--BDS-C lang. source
Directory PD2:<CPM.BDSC-2>
L2-225.ARK.1			BINARY	 66141  B7F3H <--needed to link

EP (Epson print) is a runoff printer formatter which formats and
prints texts using proportionally spaced fonts of characters on an
Epson MX-80, FX-80, and probably on other Epson-compatible printers.
EP's formatting is controlled by commands which are placed in the
text.  Many fonts are supplied (around 50), and you can design your
own.  The characters of a single font can be modified by being
italicized, underlined, emphasized, enlarged, compressed, etc.

Executables, documents, fonts, a font editor, and BDS-C source code
are included with this distribution.

Many thanks to the author, Greg Lee, for submitting it to our
archives; to Bill Swan for converting it to 9-track tape to get it
to us; and to Frank Wancho for loading the tapes on SIMTEL20.

--Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the CP/M and MSDOS archives at SIMTEL20.ARPA [26.0.0.74]
Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
GEnie: W8SDZ
RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST)

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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1988  18:19 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: WADE interactive sumbolic Z80 debugger now available

Now available via standard anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20.ARPA...

Filename			Type	 Bytes	 CRC

Directory PD2:<CPM.DEBUG>
WADE.LBR			BINARY	 77824  D35DH <--com and docs
WADESRC.LBR			BINARY	 99584  2A9BH <--source code

WADE is an interactive symbolic Z80 debugger with full assembly and
disassembly using standard ZILOG mnemonics.  Up to eight conditional
and/or unconditional breakpoints plus a temporary breakpoint may be
defined.  Full tracing with or without list and with real-time
execution of subroutines on command or automatic is provided.  Tracing
may be controlled by instruction count or a conditional expression.  A
full set of operators provides for arithmetic, logical, shift, and
relational operations on hex, decimal, binary, and character data, and
on registers, variables, and symbols, including embedded assignments
to registers and variables.

For those unable to access SIMTEL20 because of network restrictions,
please remember that MOST of the new files announced to Info-Cpm are
also available on my RCP/M Royal Oak (MI) which may be accessed at
300 bps (Bell 103a), 1200 bps (Bell 212a), 2400 bps (V.22 bis), or
9600 bps (HST).  The telephone number is (313) 759-6569 (now reachable
on PC Pursuit at 2400 bps).  They are also available from the CP/M
RoundTable on General Electric Information Services' GEnie.

The directories on my RCP/M have been recently reorganized.  The MAP
command will produce the following display:

              RCP/M Royal Oak Wall Map
              ------------------------
 
A1: Utilities                F1: Editors / WP / Text utilities
 
B1: More Utilities           G1: ZCPR3
 
C1: Communications           H1: High Level Languages
 
D1: Catalog/Printer/Docs     I1: Misc.
 
E1: Database/Spreadsheets    J1: RCP/M Utilities
 
There are ten logical drives on the system (still 64 Megabytes).
All files are in user 1.  The system should be faster now since
the directories are smaller.

--Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the CP/M and MSDOS archives at SIMTEL20.ARPA [26.0.0.74]
Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Uucp: {decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz
GEnie: W8SDZ
RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 88 01:30:19 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #156
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 21 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 156

Today's Topics:
                     Quest for a PASCAL Compiler?
   Request for Z80 Floating Point Arithmetic package : late reply.
                            The Organizer
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 88 12:58:53 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Quest for a PASCAL Compiler?

Has anybody out there ever met the Danish PolyPascal (alias COMPAS)
Compiler for CP/M-80?

I have the CP/M-86 and MS-DOS versions. The doc explicitly quotes a CP/M-80
version, operationally identical. I found the 8086 versions to be an unusual
tool.

The manufacturer does not answer mail, almost certainly out of business.
Furthermore the 8086 MS-DOS version is available in network public domain
software servers.

Can anybody help me find that Compiler?
                               JJG-  [phr00jg@technion.bitnet
                                         ^^
                                         || zeroes !! ]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 88 12:53:10 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Request for Z80 Floating Point Arithmetic package : late reply.

I failed to answer directly (e-mail gates barriers).

Why not use the excellent, complete, reliable, well-documented, Microsoft
FORTRAN-80 Library ? The guide gives all details required to interface to
any language. It has 7 digits (single prec) or 16 (double) and all trigon.
and transcendant functions.
I use it a lot with the compiler, get same results as on our IBM3081 and
VAX785.
                          JJG-Prof,Physics [phr00jg@technion.bitnet]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 88 09:04 N
From: <DHAESE%BANUIA51.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: The Organizer

Is someone out there who has experience with the "The Organizer" by
Tim McNeal ?  It is a PD program from Simtel20, which keeps track of
all your files in one big data file.
I've got a problem to get this program going:
   By startup of the program it prompts the user for how many disks
he is using; so far so good.
   The program finds the data file 'Organize.dat' in drive A; telling
me he is initializing something and then after a few seconds it is
thanking me for using the ORGANIZER and quits.
   What is going on ?

   Allthough I carefully followed the instructions...
   Maybe one remark: I think the author means with 'BIOS.SYS' file
after a SYSGEN must be on disk, that it must be a bootable disk...
   One last remark: It seems to me that Tim wrote the Organizer
in Turbo Pascal ?  It is extremely pitty he didn't included the
source code.

   ******************* Gratien  D'haese **********************

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 88 01:30:27 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #157
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 22 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 157

Today's Topics:
            Need info on Osborne-1 power supply? (2 msgs)
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Date: 20 Jun 88 22:44:47 GMT
From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix!rusty@uunet.uu.net  (Rusty)
Subject: Need info on Osborne-1 power supply?

In article <1061@astroatc.UUCP> niemi@astroatc.UUCP (Bob Niemi) writes:
><question about osborne hardware info>

Also, in another, unrelated article, someone asks for hardware info on
the osborne 1...

Amazingly enough, the Osborne 1 is one of the few computers for which
you can get a Sams (r) Photofact (r) 'thingie'.  Complete schematics!

Go look in your local public library for this little gem.  The Phoenix
public library in Phx Az (not much use to you, probably.:-) had a complete
set of Sams Photofact (r).  If you are really lucky, your local library
will too.

Good luck.  BTW, did you put any sort of spike protection on the power
supply?  I put 2 or 3 MOVs inside the case, and never had any problems.

Also, I assume you know about the jumper which will make the serial
port be 600/2400 baud instead of 300/1200?  I mounted a switch on the
case so I could easily switch between 300/1200/2400 (who needs 600, 
anyway? :-)
-----
    Rusty Carruth	N7IKQ	DOMAIN: rusty@cadnetix.com
    Cadnetix Corp.		UUCP:   cadnetix!rusty
    5775 Flatiron Pkwy.	        	{uunet,boulder,nbires}!cadnetix!rusty
    Boulder, CO 80301		(303) 444-8075

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Date: 17 Jun 88 13:42:38 GMT
From: mtunx!whuts!homxb!ho7cad!wjc@rutgers.edu  (Bill Carpenter)
Subject: Need info on Osborne-1 power supply?

In article <1061@astroatc.UUCP>, niemi@astroatc (Bob Niemi) writes:
>Once again the Astec power supply in my Osborne 1 has gone south for the
>winter without waiting for winter.  Thought I would try to fix it instead 
>of shotgunning it this time, but I have no information, schematics, etc.
>I would appreciate if someone could mail me a print, or tell me where to
>get one.  

Sam's Photo-Facts now has a spinoff  called Sam's Computer Facts which
give complete schematics,   test  point    voltages, etc.   Most  real
electronics stores (like where  a  TV repairman or  Ham operator might
shop)  carry bunches of these  and can order any  they don't  have.  I
have a hazy memory of a note that Radio Shack now also carries them.

Yes, I know Sam's  has one for the  O-1.   Sorry I can't give  you the
specific number.  I think it cost $10-15.

-- Bill Carpenter         att!ho5cad!wjc  or  attmail!bill

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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 88 01:30:09 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #158
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 23 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 158

Today's Topics:
                    Mod7 or Kermit for Xerox 16/8
                            Small C wanted
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Date: 21 Jun 88 03:19:17 GMT
From: unisoft!hoptoad!xanth!rlb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Robert Lee Bailey)
Subject: Mod7 or Kermit for Xerox 16/8

I have a Xerox 820-I.  It is my understanding that the Xerox 820-II
uses the same I/O ports as the 820-I.  I believe that the Xerox 16/8
is really an enhanced version of the 820-II, therefore, Modem7 or
Kermit for the 820-II (or 820-I) should run on your 16/8.  I have
both Modem7 and IMP for my 820-I.  I would be glad to make a copy
for you if you want it.  If you have any technical docs for your
16/8 check to see if the following specs match your machine.

	Xerox 820-I Specs for Comm port:

	Comm Chip - Z-80 SIO-0
	Baud rate chip - 8116
	
	Port 0-3  -  Chan. A Baud rate
	Port 4    -  SIO Chan. A Data
	Port 5    -  SIO Chan. B Data
	Port 6    -  SIO Chan. A Control
	Port 7    -  SIO Chan. B Control
	Port C-F  -  Chan. B Baud Rate

If these specs match the 16/8, and I think they do, then my version
should work on your machine.  Mine is configured to use Channel A,
but it can also be configured to use Channel B (Z-80 assembler required).

Let me know if you want it, and I'll try to get it out to you.  If you
reply to this msg, it may be a while before I respond again.  I am
usually on this network only once or twice each week.  

		Bob Bailey

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Date: 20 Jun 88 09:38:21 GMT
From: coplex!alan@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Alan Bunch)
Subject: Small C wanted

Hello there netland !

What I am looking for is the Small C compiler from the Dr. Dobbs

I know that I can get the book and start typing but I want to be able to 
program with the package before I am too old to remember to turn this thing on
I know about the Simtel20 archives but I have heard of the stink that has arisen
about the popularity of the mail server so I dont want to get in the middle
of that.  If some kind soul would e-mail the sources in whole or in peices
to conserve netwidth I would be very greatful. 

I will use a Plexis P/75 that runs System V.2 with some Berkley throun in
to compile the first version.  After that I will download to a 
Televideo 802H running CP/M 2.2 as a target machine.  This has a Z-80 cpu
so if you happen to have the opcode tables for a Z-80 please send them
also.

I know that I should really come into the real world and stop using this
antuiqe but this is a step up from the dumb terminal that I was using (it
was borrowed) but this machine runs and was free, two things I look for 
in a system.

Please e-mail me first so that I can verify the mail path and not 
get a gazillion copies that waste bandwidth.

Thank you very much in advance.


Alan Bunch  ( yes as in bananas )          | Hack till   |Your favorite
      gatech--\                            | you crack ! |goes here !
UUCP: mit-eddie!bloom-beacon!coplex!alan   |-------------|--------------------
                                           |This opinion |This segment reserved
DISCLAMER: Opinions expressed are rented.  |  for rent.  |for useful data.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 88 09:17:35 EDT
From: SOERENSE%DMZRZU71.BITNET@CICGE.RPI.EDU

Need help with ZCPR33!

I am using a Tandy Model 4 at home, for which I tried to install ZCPR33.
I followed the steps in the ZCPR3 manual by Richard Conn, modified the BIOS,
made room for the ZCPR3 buffers and initialized them. The system would boot up
normally and everything was fine. After assembling ZCPR33.Z80 I was unable to
write the new system to the system tracks with SYSGEN and the computer locked
up. Then I tried to save ZCPR33.HEX to a COM-file with MLOAD and put it on the
system record directly with a small program. ZCPR33 then booted correctly, but
most of the utilities did not run, although they were properly installed.
This is true for LDR, also. Since I knew the addresses of the ZCPR33 buffers,
I could instead load the system segments via GET, which was built into the CCP.
Now ZCPR33 is working and runs ALIASES. But still most of the utilities won't.
Surprise! When I run the utilities from ZSID, they work fine!

What went wrong?

Thanks in advance, Ruediger.


Ruediger Soerensen, Uni Mainz Germany
                    Dpt. Meteorology

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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 88 01:30:07 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #159
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 24 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 159

Today's Topics:
                               MAIL232
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Date: 22 Jun 88 21:46:07 GMT
From: cfa!cfa250!mcdowell@husc6.harvard.edu  (Jonathan McDowell)
Subject: MAIL232

Does anyone out there have experience with a communications
program called MAIL232? It came, documentationless, with my
CP/M based Amstrad PCW9512 (OK, don't laugh too much, it's cheap!)

Jonathan McDowell (mcdowell@cfa200.harvard.edu)

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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 88 01:31:02 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #160
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 25 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 160

Today's Topics:
                 Listing of PD1: and PD2: Directories
                      Looking for BDS C compiler
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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 88 13:57:20 PDT
From: dowst@VLSI.JPL.NASA.GOV (Henry P. Dowst)
Subject: Listing of PD1: and PD2: Directories

Could someone post the latest list of the top level subdirectories
in the PD1: and PD2: roots on SIMTEL20?

Thanks
Henry Dowst

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Date: 23 Jun 88 16:51:54 GMT
From: killer!pollux!dalsqnt!rpp386!pigs!haugj@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (The Beach Bum)
Subject: Looking for BDS C compiler

This is my second attempt at finding an source for the BDS C compiler.  The
system which will be running the compiler is a DEC VT 180, a Z-80 based
CP/M system.

Send you replies by mail as I don't read this newsgroup.

- John.
-- 
 The Beach Bum                                 Big "D" Home for Wayward Hackers
 UUCP: ...!killer!rpp386!jfh                          jfh@rpp386.uucp :SMAILERS

 "You are in a twisty little maze of UUCP connections, all alike" -- fortune

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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 88 01:30:29 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #161
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 26 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 161

Today's Topics:
                         MP/M RCP/M systems?
 PS:<SAC.HQSAC-DOCT>[--QUEUED-MAIL--].NEW-134342436034-HERMES-J16.1
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Date: 25 Jun 88 05:52:48 GMT
From: killer!elg@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Eric Green)
Subject: MP/M RCP/M systems?

I asked before, but nobody answered.... if you're out there, and
didn't answer because you were certain my mailbox would be deluged, go
ahead, I love deluges.... anyhow....

Has anybody ever run a RCP/M system on an old MP/M ][ system? In
particulr, an Altos 580 (4 user, 10 megabyte hard drive, circa 1983).

--
Eric Lee Green    ..!{ames,decwrl,mit-eddie,osu-cis}!killer!elg
          Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509              
"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse?"

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Date: Sat 18 Jun 88 08:26:15-CDT
From: The Mailer Daemon <Mailer@E.ISI.EDU>
Subject: PS:<SAC.HQSAC-DOCT>[--QUEUED-MAIL--].NEW-134342436034-HERMES-J16.1

No such host as "SIMTEL20.ARPA",
bad queue file follows:
-------
SIMTEL20.ARPA
info-cpm

Date: 18 Jun 1988 08:24-CDT
Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU
Subject: Osborne 1 External Monitor
From:  John A. Wright <SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU>
To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Cc: sac.hqsac-doct@E.ISI.EDU
Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU]18-Jun-88 08:24:30.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT>

I  have  two  Osborn  Is  at the Office.  One works fine, but the
other has a bad CRT.  Does anyione know a source  for  the  cable
that will allow me to connect an external monitor to these.

I  have seen one so I know they exist, just cna't seem to be able
to find a source or the pinouts to make one.

Thanks in advance

-------

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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 88 01:30:26 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #162
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 27 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 162

Today's Topics:
                    Osborne-1 Monitor Replacement
                           Small C Compiler
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 26 Jun 88 10:02:10 PDT
From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, Digital Equip. Corp. USA)
Subject: Osborne-1 Monitor Replacement

I thought their was a place called Lanngley-St.Clair that sold
amber and green tubes of all shapes and sizes as upgrades...
perhaps you could just replace the monitor instead of going
external.

rcs

ARPA:		secrist%msdsws.dec@decwrl.dec.com
DEC E-net:	msdsws::secrist
USEnet:		{ decvax, allegra, ucbvax... }!decwrl!msdsws.dec.com!secrist

"Go FORTH and Conquer !"

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Date: Sunday, 26 June 1988  11:16-MDT
From: "John A. Wright" <SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU>
Subject: Small C Compiler

I am looking for a Small-C compiler that will run on a 8088
co-processor.  I have found one form the SIGM files that was written
for an 8086 cpu, but it doesn't seem to run on my machine.

Doe3es anyone know of the whereabouts of a PD C compiler for CP/M-86
with a good documentation file?

Thanks in advance

John

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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 88 01:30:20 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #163
To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA

INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 28 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 163

Today's Topics:
                      Epson Qx-10 (x)bios calls
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 26 Jun 88 18:45:54 GMT
From: spl1!ddsw1!koala@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Karl Meiser)
Subject: Epson Qx-10 (x)bios calls

Im new to my qx,  but not new to assembly language.

With the C i have (Aztec C II) it comes very bare,  but with an xbios
function.  How I send a character to the modem, how how do i read a
character from the modem?  Or do i need to insert #asm  and  #endasm
around assembly code?  If so,  how do I get one of the registers into
a variable?


--

Karl Meiser    ..!att!spl1!ddsw1!koala

I said that??  I musta been sleeping!

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #164
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 30 Jun 88       Volume 88 : Issue 164

Today's Topics:
           My request for a lead to Polydata COMPAS (Z-80)
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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1988 16:24:34 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: My request for a lead to Polydata COMPAS (Z-80)

Two of you have answered, proposing to give me Polydata's new address.
I replied privately following the e-mailer reply path shown: the NORDITA
mailer rejected the mail. I tried an alternate, got no reply from you:
Ole Lennert and/or Kristian Damm Jensen, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING.
Please write me the address of Polydata; if easy for you, please PHONE
them, ask if COMPAS-80 still available and at what cost (I can read just
about any CPM/80 5in1/4 diskette.)

Bill Pechter quoted that COMPAS and Turbo-Pascal could have some family
relationship. I confirm, comparing MSDOS-COMPAS with TurboPascal-3.00!
When two compilers produce the same expected result, there is no proof
that they have anything in common, but when both produce the same UNEXPECTED
result, there MAY be something in common...

Try this with your Pascal system [taken from a Pascal course semestrial test,
where probably the author of the question, what does it do, hadn't tried out..]

program tryit(input,output);
procedure readwrite;
var nextchar:char;
begin
  read(nextchar); if nextchar <> ' ' then readwrite; write(nextchar);
end;
begin
writeln('Type in a sweet word, end with one space');
readwrite
end.

What does it do?
The intention is, store the word typed until a space is met, then write
it reversed, preceded by a space.
In fact, it does not work on any of the machines I tried.
Usually ( Unix, VAX-VMS, IBM-PASCALVS, Waterloo-Pascal, Microsoft PASCAL
under MS-DOS), it works Ok but only after the input string is followed
by a carriage return (that is, writing does NOT start as soon as the
terminating space is typed - systemwise, this makes sense, by the way).
TurboPascal and COMPAS produce only the first character of the original
string, that is, that one which should have been shown last.

Jacques Goldberg [phr00jg@technion.bitnet]

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