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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  1 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 158

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M VT100 - QTERM
                         Osborne I  - system 
                      Ramdisk under CPM (2 msgs)
                    Such a deal I found for you...
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Date: 28 Jul 89 13:31:39 GMT
From: ima!cfisun!lakart!root@decvax.dec.com  (comp.os.cpm gateway)
Subject: CP/M VT100 - QTERM

NOTE!!
The official release version of QTERM is either QTERM41D.LBR, or if your
system crunches IX and IY try to find QTERM41E.LBR. When I get off my
butt, I'll U/L 41E to Royal Oak, so that Keith Petersen can transfer it
to GEnie and SIMTEL20.

Any previous version will probably be missing features (especially
if you've got a 4.0x version).
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 10:16:54 EDT
From: Mack Goodman <mdgoodma@crdec4.apgea.army.mil>
Subject: Osborne I  - system 

I hope someone can help me.  I just inherited an Osborne 1 computer
and I have no system disks.  Can someone suggest how I might proceed.
Someone said to donate it to the Smithsonium.  I would like to
see if I could get this machine running, at least as a dumb terminal.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mack Goodman


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Date: 31 Jul 89 19:28:01 GMT
From: microsoft!brianw@uunet.uu.net  (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Ramdisk under CPM

In article <1665@sactoh0> ianj@sactoh0 (Ian R. Justman) writes:
>In article <752@madnix.UUCP>, rat@madnix.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
>> 
>> There ARE other CP/M cards besides the slowpokes from AE and Microsoft.
>> 
>> If you don't have an Applicard, perhaps its time you left 1MHz in the dust
>> and got an older card which still has yet to be beaten at 6MHz.
>> 
>> Applied Engineering, when you gonna wake up and smell the roses?  This card
>> is at LEAST 5 years older than the Z80 Plus and runs 6 times faster.
>> 
>
>Sure it beats those cards.  But what about //c owners who want to
>run CP/M?  Just tell me where one can get an Applicard-type device
>for the //c and I'll be happy knowing that you're a little bit
>rational.
>
>BTW, what about those of us who can't currently afford an
>Applicard?  What are we to do now?  Are we in the stone ages?  We
>might, but if we get the job done, and it may take a bit longer,
>who cares?!?!?  You have to realize that a lot of us can't go out

I agree with the cost vs. speed arguement, but I wonder how fast a 6 MHz
Z80 really is.  The Microsoft Softcard runs at 3.58 MHz, not 1 MHz, and
that just barely gets it up to the speed of the 1 MHz 6502.  I started
here at Microsoft after the Softcard had fizzled out, so I'm no expert on
our product.  In fact, I actually have a Taiwan peripheral clone of the
Softcard.  But I have looked into the architecture, and a Z80 takes three
cycles to transfer a byte, where the 6502 takes one.  Add to that the
restriction that the video generator uses every other half cycle at 1 MHz
to read video RAM, and then you'll see why the Softcard would see a lot of
RAM wait states when accessing main Apple memory.  When the phase 1 Apple
clock is low, the Z80 sees a clock low for 500ns, then when phase 1 is
high, the Z80 sees a few quick bursts at 3.58 MHz, but then it stops again
when phase 1 goes low again.  I think the Softcard //e is a little faster
because of the on-board 64K which is not restricted to video timing (but
is unusable as //e aux memory).  So, depending upon whether the Applicard
has its own independant memory bus (to remove the video wait states), it
might not actually be running at a full 6 MHz.  Even if it is, its not 6
times faster than the Microsoft (or AE) card - more like twice (at best).

BTW, if the Applicard comes with any documentation or schematics which
diagram its operation, I would be curious to hear how it does interface to
the Apple.  I'm always looking for the better mousetrap.

Brian Willoughby
UUCP:           ...!{tikal, sun, uunet, elwood}!microsoft!brianw
InterNet:       microsoft!brianw@uunet.UU.NET
  or:           microsoft!brianw@Sun.COM
Bitnet          brianw@microsoft.UUCP

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Date: 1 Aug 89 01:13:06 GMT
From: ubvax!ardent!peck!rap@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Rob Peck)
Subject: Ramdisk under CPM

In article <7186@microsoft.UUCP> brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby) writes:
> ....
> ....
> ....
>So, depending upon whether the Applicard
>has its own independant memory bus (to remove the video wait states), it
>might not actually be running at a full 6 MHz.  Even if it is, its not 6
>times faster than the Microsoft (or AE) card - more like twice (at best).

I have two of the Applicards, both running at 6 Mhz.  Both have a full
64K of memory and I think both allow a 62K TPA.  Device drivers are
normally written in 6502 and thus allows the best of both worlds, that is,
full utilization of both busses.  One of the two boards has a 128k
memory expansion on it, with a ramdisk driver as one of the driver
devices.  I don't know how any of it is configured.  Terminal screen
update when the Applicard is about twice as fast as ordinarily when
Wordstar is running, but I think this is probably limited just by the
data transfer to the Apple bus (never measured explicitly, just
subjective memory).  Also I have a very slow video card (ALS Smarterm I..
my Smarterm II blew out, TWICE, and it is now being used to support a
sagging table leg.)  If I had some kinda benchmark program for CP/M,
the relative performance of the on-the-board stuff could probably be
checked.  But then, I dont think PCPI is still making/supporting them
so its probably all academic.  We who have em get the performance and
nobody else can get em.

I once responded to someone who posted a message that they wanted to
buy one of 'em from me, and the offer that was returned was "$75, but
only if it includes the 128K ram card and all of the technical documentation
that you have --- oh yeah, and the hard disk driver software too."
Well, I did not sell it after all, ya see, cause it was $200. for
the card, $250 for the extra memory and $150 for the hard disk driver
that somebody wrote, and then there was the two $50. upgrades to PCPI
for versions 1.5 and 2.0 of the system software.  Nah, he could buy a
clone of the Microsoft card with no system software at all from a local swap
meet, or he could add a grand total of $16 to that and get the world.
I think not.

Rob Peck

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 89 11:53:09 MDT
From: William G. Martin <WMartin@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Such a deal I found for you...

I thought the people on the CPM list would be interested in this marvelous
opportunity I noticed in the "Summer Supplement Special" catalog from
American Design Components, a surplus dealer...

CP/M COMPUTER... Tinkerer's Dream
High Resolution! Graphics Capability!

Manufactured for Corpis in Sweden. Supplied with CP/M operating system disk
(in Swedish). Operates on 115V or 230V. Built-in printer output (serial
or parallel). Hook-up diagram included!

256K, expandable (chips must be hard-wired in). Complete with 15" monochrome
monitor (amber). 93-key Swedish keyboard (most characters are in English) &
CPU (disk drives not included!) Uses 1 or 2 DS/Quad Density Disk Drives.

Item #21934   New - $199.00

There are some disk drives shown below this ad, which cost about as much as the
system does. I just liked the bit about the OS in Swedish being included on
a disk when no disk drives were provided, and the keyboard characters being
"mostly in English".. Funny, I never thought that "A" "B" "C", etc., were
"in English"... :-)

If anybody really wants one of these things, give ADC a call:

American Design Components
815 Fairview Ave.
PO Box 220
Fairview, NJ  07022

800-524-0809   (in NJ, 201-941-5000)

Ooops -- almost forgot their footnote: "Manufacturer's Close Out -- Not IBM 
Compatible -- We cannot accept returns on this item!"

Regards, Will
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu,  3 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 159

Today's Topics:
                      Hard Sectors???? (5 msgs)
                       INFO-CPM Digest V89 #158
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 89 14:03:48 PDT
From: rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov (Roger Hanscom)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

Hi All --
   A friend of mine just bought a used "H-89" computer (a
Heathkit) that runs some form of CP/M.  I'd like to give
him some PD software, but this machine runs hard-sectored
5.25" diskettes.  Is there an efficient way to do it?  I
can read and write many 5.25" formats -- can a hard sector
controller read anything but hard sector diskettes??  I can
always do a serial patch between one of my machines and his,
but that seems like "the hard way".  Any hard-sector users
out there??  How do you get software??
           roger            rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov

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Date: 2 Aug 89 09:01:06 GMT
From: morris@jade.Berkeley.EDU  (Mike Morris)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

(Roger Hanscom) writes:
>
>Hi All --
>   A friend of mine just bought a used "H-89" computer (a
>Heathkit) that runs some form of CP/M.  I'd like to give
>him some PD software, but this machine runs hard-sectored
>5.25" diskettes.  Is there an efficient way to do it?  I
>can read and write many 5.25" formats -- can a hard sector
>controller read anything but hard sector diskettes??  I can
>always do a serial patch between one of my machines and his,
>but that seems like "the hard way".  Any hard-sector users
>out there??  How do you get software??

I asked a friend of mine who has a Z89 and he says that the hardware
is capable of either hard or soft, it's all in the BIOS, which is on the
system tracks of the boot disk.  IOW, to "convert" his machine to a
soft-sectored machine, simply get your hands on a soft-sectored boot
disk, and do it.  Is there a HUG around there somewhere?  (Heathkit
User Group)  Most Heath stores sponsor them or at least know of them.

US Snail:  Mike Morris                    UUCP: Morris@Jade.JPL.NASA.gov 
           P.O. Box 1130                  Also: WA6ILQ
           Arcadia, Ca. 91006-1130
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Date: 2 Aug 89 20:07:59 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net  (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

	"A friend of mine just bought a used "H-89" computer (a
	Heathkit) that runs some form of CP/M.  I'd like to give him
	some PD software ..."

The original H89 design put ROM at location 0, and a special CP/M was
created which could accommodate this.  (The same hack was used on the
TRS-80 model III.)  Standard CP/M binaries will not work on such a
system.

There was a mod to the H89 later which made the ROM shadow-able and put
RAM at 0.  Before you spend a lot of time moving your software onto H89
disks, you might as well find out if it has the mod.

  -=- Andrew Klossner   (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)    [UUCP]
                        (andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net)   [ARPA]

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Date: 3 Aug 89 04:27:33 GMT
From: tank!eecae!upba!dsndata!unocss!mlewis@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu  (Marcus S. Lewis)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

From article <8908012103.AA03920@lll-lcc.llnl.gov>, by rzh@LLL-LCC.LLNL.GOV (Roger Hanscom):
 
>    A friend of mine just bought a used "H-89" computer (a
> Heathkit) that runs some form of CP/M.  I'd like to give
> him some PD software, but this machine runs hard-sectored
> 5.25" diskettes.  Is there an efficient way to do it?  I
> can read and write many 5.25" formats -- can a hard sector
> controller read anything but hard sector diskettes??  I can
> always do a serial patch between one of my machines and his,
> but that seems like "the hard way".  Any hard-sector users
> out there??  How do you get software??


There is the Heath User Group, who distributes a fair amount of
stuff in hard-sector format.  The _only_ other option is to 
hook up a serial link (preferably at 9600+).  My tertiary 
system is a Micropolis-based machine, 16-sector, 77 tracks,
SSQD, 315K per disk.  It doesn't have a whole lot, since I
have never managed to get a serial port to cuntion with the 
odd system clock I have on the CPU (1.8432MHz - most S100
systems demand a 2 MHz clock for a serial port).

Actually, as late as three years ago, you could have gone to a
Heathkit store for conversion.  A lot of them had -89's with 
two controllers in them.  One of his options is to add a second
disk controller (soft-sectored, of course), which will give him
a bit more storage to boot.  So I misspoke.  There are some options.


Marc

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Date: 3 Aug 89 22:18:55 GMT
From: epiwrl!parker@uunet.uu.net  (Alan Parker)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

In article <1515@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> morris@jade.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Mike Morris) writes:
>I asked a friend of mine who has a Z89 and he says that the hardware
>is capable of either hard or soft, it's all in the BIOS, which is on the
>system tracks of the boot disk.  IOW, to "convert" his machine to a
>soft-sectored machine, simply get your hands on a soft-sectored boot
>disk, and do it. 
>
This is not true.   The drive is pretty much the standard 5 1/4" drive
(of that day), but the controller is completely different.
Heath/Zenith and a number of third party suppliers sold soft-sector
controllers (called H37 format), but I'm not aware that any of these
would also do hard sector (though I guess that could be possible).  Many
people had both hard sector and soft sector drives on H-89s.

You either need to move stuff between the machines the with the serial
lines or install a soft sector controller in the 89 (not too easy to
find now).  

HUG sell (for about $15) a package that allows a PC to emulate an 89.
This includes a pretty nice utility for moving stuff between them with
the serial lines.

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 89 08:05 EDT
From: "Gary Hutchison" <GHK%NCCIBM1.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #158

> BTW, if the Applicard comes with any documentation or schematics which
> diagram its operation, I would be curious to hear how it does interface to
> the Apple.  I'm always looking for the better mousetrap.
>
> Brian Willoughby
> UUCP:           ...!{tikal, sun, uunet, elwood}!microsoft!brianw
> InterNet:       microsoft!brianw@uunet.UU.NET
>   or:           microsoft!brianw@Sun.COM
> Bitnet          brianw@microsoft.UUCP

Brian,
  I have run a PCPI card as well as a Softcard and was impressed by
both at one time or other.  I feel that the PCPI card had more
flexibility than the Softcard.  There were more configuration options
for the PCPI card which helps alot when there are no BIOSs available
for either.  Getting back to your question, it has been a while since
I have written much for the PCPI card but here goes.

  The Z80 and the 6502 run on two completely different clock cycles.
tThe Z80 can run up to the board and memory access limit and not be
directly affected by the 6502 chugging along at 1M.  However, all I/O
is performed by the 6502; thus reducing throughput on I/O bound
processes.  The bios, from the Z80 side, is a bunch of routines that
pass command words and blocks of data to the 6502 via a Z80 I/O port.
Several Zilog ports are used, some for data and some for status of the
data ports.  From the 6502 side, interrupts are generated and the
commands and data are memory mapped to I/O locations in the Apple I/O
slot address space depending on the location of the card.  Development
of I/O drivers requires, in many cases, both Z80 and 6502 assembler
programming.  The interface is "slick" because there is no need to rush
to read data from the port if you write your dirvers properly; let the
Apple buffer the data (it will use all the memory you have installed)
and read it at your leasure. 6502 interupts are generated for both read
and written data to the channel port between the 6502 and the Z80.

  I hope this answers your questions, if not let me know.

  Gary Hutchison
  Unisys
  GHK@NCCIBM1.BITNET

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun,  6 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 160

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M VT100 - QTERM
                           Hard Sectors????
                         Looking for dbase-2
                             Z280 timing
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Date: 1 Aug 89 13:53:00 GMT
From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!dptcdc!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!larry.moore@rutgers.edu  (LARRY MOORE)
Subject: CP/M VT100 - QTERM

>The official release version of QTERM is either QTERM41D.LBR, or if
>your system crunches IX and IY try to find QTERM41E.LBR.
 
Any idea how long it will be before the qterm overlay collection library 
will be released? ... you mentioned it was coming but not when ...
 Thanks.
---
 * Via ProDoor 3.0R 

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Date: 4 Aug 89 23:20:52 GMT
From: morris@jade.Berkeley.EDU  (Mike Morris)
Subject: Hard Sectors????

(Marcus S. Lewis) writes:

>system is a Micropolis-based machine, 16-sector, 77 tracks,
>SSQD, 315K per disk.  It doesn't have a whole lot, since I
>have never managed to get a serial port to cuntion with the 
>odd system clock I have on the CPU (1.8432MHz - most S100
>systems demand a 2 MHz clock for a serial port).
>
The 1.8432 is a magic number for one of the older baud reate generator chips -
a motorola I think.  You might want to check the data books.

>Actually, as late as three years ago, you could have gone to a
>Heathkit store for conversion.  A lot of them had -89's with 
>two controllers in them.  One of his options is to add a second
>disk controller (soft-sectored, of course), which will give him
>a bit more storage to boot.  So I misspoke.  There are some options.

A friend of mine has a Z89 with one controller and he can boot it either way.
The hard/soft distinction is in the BIOS, and that's on the system tracks.


Mike Morris
UUCP: Morris@Jade.JPL.NASA.gov
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Date: 5 Aug 89 00:03:19 GMT
From: sumax!amc-gw!jon@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Jon Mandrell)
Subject: Looking for dbase-2

our church is looking for a data-base program for a CP/M system that we
maintain membership lists on.  Does anyone have an old version of dbase-2
(or any other variety for that matter) that they would like to get rid of
for little or no money?  We would really appreciate it.

-- 
Jon Mandrell, Applied Microsystems Corp., (jon@amc.com or ..!uunet!amc-gw!jon)

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Date: 4 Aug 89 08:37:46 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!cosmo2!fifi%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net  (A.F.Zinser)
Subject: Z280 timing

hi,

has anyone here experience with z280. a friend of mine is creating
a single-board-system using Z280 and got some hardware-problems
with dram-access in z-mode (*not* z80-mode). if there's anybody
on the net who could help, please contact me.

thanks in advance, a.f.zinser

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  9 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 161

Today's Topics:
                      MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM
                         New CP/M mail server
              OE error from Cbasic on Zenith CP/M System
                                 Z-80
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Date: 6 Aug 89 17:00:32 GMT
From: osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu!phillips-e@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (earl)
Subject: MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM

Can anyone out there help me in trying to figure out my
Morrow Designs CPM system? I have recently entered the
world of computers new, and acquired the system
serendipitously. I have down most of the basic machine
commands, but am having trouble with the "Wordstar"
software; specifically, how to retain newly-made files
on another disk for future data entry. Any suggestions?

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Date: 7 Aug 89 19:29:31 GMT
From: ima!cfisun!lakart!rna@decvax.dec.com  (Remote Network Archive)
Subject: New CP/M mail server

A copy of RNA (a very simple archive server) has been installed on
lakart.UUCP, to allow access to CP/M software that I have written
(sorry, I can't archive everything on SIMTEL20, we only have 1/2 a
Gig here :-) ).

To access it, I'd suggest starting by getting help and index, although
I can summarise the index as it currently stands:

qterm:	qterm V4.1e - the latest and greatest
zsm:	zsm V2.3 - will come in handy for patching qterm

OK, so it's only two files. However in the near future, two others
will be appearing:

qtermp:	patches for qterm - not too many, but it's a start
z80ccp:	my revised z80 CCP

and yet more as time progresses.

To access this server send mail containing the following:

/send whatever to address

to rna@lakart.UUCP. whatever is what you want to get, so to get help and
index you'd say:

/send index to address
/send help to address

Since RNA is about as thick as two short planks, I'll give some hints
for addresses:

Mapped uucp sites (i.e. ones that pathalias knows about) should simply
provide: host!user or user@host.uucp - lakart can route to these.

Ghost uucp sites (ones that pathalias doesn't know about) should provide
a bang path from a backbone site, again by routing to the backbone it'll
get there.

Domain addressed sites should simply provide a user@host.domain type address:
it will be forwarded to a gateway for subsequent delivery.

To reach lakart, use the addresses below, and I'll also go in and hack the
headers later to make this appear to come from rna (rather than dg) so that
replying to it will work. If you have any questions, send mail to
rna-help@lakart.UUCP.
-- 
	dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	....... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg			+-+-+ |
AKA:	dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com		  	  +---+

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Date: 9 Aug 89 06:30:51 GMT
From: mist!gillisb@cs.orst.edu  (Brian Gillis)
Subject: OE error from Cbasic on Zenith CP/M System

Can anyone tell me what on OE error is in Cbasic on an old Zenith
CPM System??    Please e-mail your response!!

Thank you very much in advance!
Brian Gillis
gillisb@gsd.UUCP

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Date: 7 Aug 89 21:19:53 GMT
From: mcvax!cernvax!ethz!ethz-inf!wyle@uunet.uu.net  (Mitchell Wyle)
Subject: Z-80

With apologies to Bob Seager and "Give me that old-time rock and roll."

Just take those old 8-bitters off the shelf.
I'll stay and code on them all by myself.
Today's chips just can't put up a fight
to that old time z-80's height.

(chorus:)
Give me that old time Z-80.
That funky chip it just fills you with glee.
Them new procs with all their thirty-two bits
so complicated give you terrible fits.

Don't try to tell me 'bout your RISC-Os.
You'll never even get my cross-compiled code.
Today's processors are just so overblown,
They fail more often, users grumble and groan.

(chorus)
X-Mail-Filter v. 01.06.88-18:53

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 11 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 162

Today's Topics:
                  Conversion of CP/M files to MS-DOS
                         Looking for dbase-2
                      MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM
                             SuperCalc I
                         vi source?? (2 msgs)
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Date: 10 Aug 89 04:58:16 GMT
From: usc!orion.cf.uci.edu!swooldri@apple.com  (Steve Wooldridge)
Subject: Conversion of CP/M files to MS-DOS

I have very recently used a software package called Xeno Copy (version 2.0)
which allows the user to read CP/M files on an MS-DOS drive and transfer them toan MS-DOS formatted diskette. (It also allows a user to format a diskette
for CP/M and write files to a CP/M formatted diskette). I borrowed the package  from the campus Computing Facility and successfully used it to transfer CP/M
WordStar files onto a MS-DOS disk. Once transferred, I used a package called
PerfectExchange to translate the files from WordStar into WordPerfect 5.0. It   all worked without a hitch (amazing when you think of the difficulties to
overcome)! 

Xeno Copy was developed by a company in Los Angeles called Vertex Systems.      Version 3.0 was released (I know since the flier for this was included with the documentation the Computing Facility had for their version 2.0). I called
the number in the documentation, but it is now a number for a private residence.There is no number for Vertex Systems in the LA Directory, nor could I find a
company listing in computer software guides. (I did track down a software      
development company in Pennsylvania called Vertex Systems -- but it has nothing
to do with the LA Company).

Does anyone know if the company went out of business? Was the copyright
assigned to another company? Is it being distributed under another name?

Are there similar packages for CP/M to MS-DOS migration on the market? Can
anyone provide names, vendors?

This saves a BUNDLE on the costs for diskette conversion!

I would appreciate answers to be posted directly to my INTERNET address. I will
share the information in a single post to this board late
board later.

Thanks.

 
A

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Sorry, but I am totally unfamiliar with the vi editor I am in -- get
me back to emacs.










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Date: 10 Aug 89 23:06:57 GMT
From: ubvax!ardent!peck!rap@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Rob Peck)
Subject: Looking for dbase-2

In article <617@amc-gw.UUCP> jon@amc-gw.UUCP (Jon Mandrell) writes:
>our church is looking for a data-base program for a CP/M system that we
>maintain membership lists on.  Does anyone have an old version of dbase-2
>(or any other variety for that matter) that they would like to get rid of
>for little or no money?  We would really appreciate it.

I wanna keep my only copy of dbase-2, but I did run across a copy of
Personal Pearl, a Morrow program, that I'd be willing to part with at
no charge.  HOWEVER, the master distribution disk has a read-error on
a file that I strongly believe is essential to the operation of Pearl.
Pearl is a simplified database manager and from the examples in the
book (several books-in-one) that I have it would seem to do what little
a church would require, particularly at no-charge.

Does someone else out there also own Personal Pearl, such that if I send
my stuff off to Mr. Mandrell, he'd be able somehow to get someone to supply
him with a copy of that file only.  If the company is still in existence,
they might supply it or whatever.  I'd like to help but the product is now
on the edge of the wastebasket, just waiting for a tiny shove in the wrong
direction (or another earthquake... my home is 1 mile from the epicenter
of the last 5.2/4.6 that we had ... whew) to free up some shelf space for
yet another batch'o'nearly obsolete software.

Of course, by the time this gets posted, no doubt he'll already have
15 copies of DBASE-2 and nobody will care.  Well, its worth a try.
The file on my master that I cannot read is:

	PEARLI.LIB

Kaypro-serrah-serrah               Amen.


Rob Peck

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Date: 8 Aug 89 12:05:28 GMT
From: ssbell!mcmi!amperif!unocss!mlewis@uunet.uu.net  (Marcus S. Lewis)
Subject: MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM

In article <12515988918006@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu>, PHILLIPS-E@osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu (earl) writes:
> Can anyone out there help me in trying to figure out my
> Morrow Designs CPM system? I have recently entered the
> world of computers new, and acquired the system
> serendipitously. I have down most of the basic machine
> commands, but am having trouble with the "Wordstar"
> software; specifically, how to retain newly-made files
> on another disk for future data entry. Any suggestions?

What exactly are you trying to do with WordStar?  So far as I know, never
having owned CP/M WordStar (I use an OLD MS-DOS version), the best way to 
put a file on another disk is to use ^K^B and ^K^K to mark the whole file
then ^K^W to write it to another file.  It works, but it's a bit clumsy.
If you need, I can send a sort of copy of my MS-DOS WScheatsheet.  WS 3.12
is functionally identical to and slower than CP/M WS of the same vintage,
since it is merely translated assembler. I got it in 1984.  What sorts of
docs do you have, and of course, what do you need?  I can probably give you
a hand.  Oh yeah, you can also copy the file from the editting no-file menu.
I almost forgot about that.
Hope this helps.

Marc

(this is a retry, my mail came back to haunt me)


-- 
Na khuya mne podpis'?                 |  Internet: cs057@zeus.unl.edu      
                                      |  UUCP:     uunet!btni!unocss!mlewis
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 89 00:31 PDT
From: Steven Russell <SRUSSELL@uoneuro.uoregon.edu>
Subject: SuperCalc I

I am trying to patch SuperCalc I on my TeleVideo TPC-1 so that the cursor
shows up in reverse video.  Can anyone give me a clue as to how to find the
correct address for this in the program?

Thanks in advance for any help!

-Steven Russell

srussell@uoneuro.uoregon.edu
srussell@uoneuro.bitnet


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Date: 10 Aug 89 04:37:26 GMT
From: n8emr!uncle!nz8r!gwr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Gregory W. Ratcliff)
Subject: vi source??

I am searching for editor that is a workalike to vi for
the cpm based system I have.  I am really tired of having
to switch editors 5 or 6 times a day!

Source would be nice, as I have a compiler.

thanks
gwr

-- 
Gregory W. Ratcliff, {osu-cis}n8emr!uncle!nz8r!gwr
ham radio,aviation,tcp-ip

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Date: 10 Aug 89 23:19:54 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!oliveb!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Doug Braun ~)
Subject: vi source??

I started trying to port STEVIE (from its Minix version) to CP/M.
It is just too damm big, however.  You would need some fancy
disk buffering scheme that would slow it way down.


Doug Braun				Intel Corp CAD
					408 765-4279

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 12 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 163

Today's Topics:
                           32-bit Z80 code?
                      Amstrad CP/M -software ??
                  Conversion of CP/M files to MS-DOS
                  CP/M  -- MS DOS conversion package
                                TRS-80
                             vi source??
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Date: 12 Aug 89 02:45:26 GMT
From: uhccux!julian@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Julian Cowley)
Subject: 32-bit Z80 code?

Does anybody have Z80 assembly code that supports basic
mathematical operations on 32-bit integers?  I would like to use
it in order to calculate 32-bit CRC's (for ZMODEM), so if anybody
has any code that will do *that*, I'd be greatly obliged.

Thanks!

PS. I'm willing to trade for a 16-bit CRC routine in assembly,
if that will help.

julian@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu		gnu emacs -- the editor that
julian@uhccux.bitnet			takes two newsgroups to pin down.

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Date: 11 Aug 89 15:52:49 GMT
From: phri!sim@nyu.edu  (Kristian Simsarian)
Subject: Amstrad CP/M -software ??

	I am by no means a CP/M afficionado, but am looking for 
software (Public Domain / comercial) that runs on the "Amstrad" which
apparently runs CP/M.

	My mother has bought some Word Processor that apparently is
actually a real gp computer and runs CP/M.  Now that she has some
communication package and can talk to the outside I thought I would
check on the net to see if anyone had heard of such a beast.  If you
know of any archives or places that supply software for these machines
please send me mail.  Apparently the machine is quite popular in Britain
but never made it here.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Kristian T. Simsarian Public Health Research Institute, NYC (212) 578-0-875
{allegra,philabs,cmcl2,rutgers}!phri!sim -or- phri!sim@uunet.uu.net
sim@asparagine.phri.nyu.edu  "There is no cure for the common code."

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 89 09:52:44 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Conversion of CP/M files to MS-DOS

   There are a number of such products.  My favorite is Uniform from

        Micro Solutions, Inc.
        132 West Lincoln Highway
        DeKalb, IL 60115
        (815) 756-3411

The product comes in versions that run on IBM-PC compatibles (so that they
can read, write, and format CP/M-format diskettes) or on various CP/M
machines (Televideo, Kaypro, SB180, and others) so that they can handle the
formats for other CP/M machines AND so that they can read, write, and format
simple MS-DOS 360K format DOS diskettes.

   Another product is MediaMaster from

        Intersecting Concepts
        4573 Heatherglen Court
        Moorpark, CA 93021
        (805) 529-5073
        CIS (72145,1147)

They offer versions that run on CP/M and MS-DOS computers.  The main
difference between Uniform and MediaMaster on the PC is that the latter only
allows specific file operations to be carried out inside MediaMaster, while
Uniform creates a virtual drive (with the next available disk letter) in the
desired format, after which you can use all your favorite programs directly
on the foreign-format diskette.

   Finally, there is also a public-domain or shareware program called 22DISK
that is on most DOS BBS systems and is surely available from the archives at
SIMETEL20.

   If you want to work on a CP/M system with MS-DOS diskettes, a unique
product is DosDisk from Plu*Perfect Systems.  It does what Uniform does on
the PC, allowing you to use all your favorite software directly on the files
on the DOS diskette.  It is the only such utility for a CP/M machine that
supports DOS subdirectories and maintains file date stamps (provided the
CP/M system is running DateStamper or ZDOS).  Bridger Mitchell (the author
of DosDisk) reads this newsgroup and can answer any technical questions.



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 89 9:29:31 EDT
From: Mack Goodman <mdgoodma@crdec4.apgea.army.mil>
Subject: CP/M  -- MS DOS conversion package

This is in reply to the recent posting on conversion software.
I suppose there are many packages, however I have just tried one
( shareware, or freeware, ) that seems to be very powerful.
It is called 22disk.  I got it from the simtel20 library. If
you have access to the net you can get it.  I think
it is in  PD1:<msdos.dskutl>  22dsk130.arc
Otherwise you can write the company at
sydex
153 north murphy ave
sunnyvale ca  94086    ( 408)  739-4866
They only want 15.00 dollars to become a registered user.

Hope you find this helpful

Mack



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 89 16:18:14 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: TRS-80

Luther,  You've got either a Model-16 (most likely), a model-6000, or
an upgraded Model-12.  The major distinction (not important to you at this
point) is whether the 68000 has a 6 or 8 Mhz crystal.

Basically, all three of these are good reliable CP/M platforms (can run
both CP/M-2.2 and CP/M-68K).  You can also run TRSDOS (a Radio Shack
operating system) and the multi-user XENIX (Unix clone) if you have
enough memory and a hard disk.  Give TriSoft a call at (512) 472-0744
for some free info, or send me your US Mail address.

If you turn on the machine, the disks spin up, and the message
INSERT DISKETTE shows up on the screen, then the thing is probably
working (there is a self-test on powerup).
 

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Date: 11 Aug 89 16:39:36+0200
From: <wyle@inf.ethz.ch>
Subject: vi source??

>X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89)

I also started porting STEVIE.  I am now working on paring the code down
to an acceptable subset (globbing instead of regex, elimination of
fluffy, unused vi featuers).  I am also thinking long and hard about
memory allocation.

The biggest problem with vi is modes.  You can't configure vedit (for
example) to look like vi, because vedit wants a META key before each
and every command mode keystroke.  Otherwise your're in insert (or
change) mode.

A final alternative (which I encourage some young, rambunctious hacker)
is to take the source of, say vdo, and vee-eye-atize it.  Any takers?

-Mitch
-Mitchell F. Wyle
Institut fuer Informationssysteme         wyle@inf.ethz.ch 
ETH Zentrum / 8092 Zurich, Switzerland    +41 1 256 5237


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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 14 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 164

Today's Topics:
                        Amstrad CP/M Software
                 Any Files For Older Altos Computer?
                          Bonzoed CP/M disk
                         New CP/M mail server
                    Utility to look at CP/M files
                             vi source??
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 89 15:23:04 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Amstrad CP/M Software

   There are several types of Amstrad computer running CP/M.  They are very
popular in England, and in Europe in general.  For a while Sears Roebuck was
promoting them here in the US, and so there are actually quite a few around.
The LocoScipt wordprocessor is actually rather nice, especially for
beginners, and both of my children (9 and 13) have been happily using it for
the past year.

   Ours is a PCW8256 that had an extra 256K or RAM chips added to convert it
into what I think is called the PCW8512 (or, perhaps, it is PCW9512).  In
any case, the PCW series of machines runs CP/M-Plus and emulates one of the
common terminals (H19, I believe, but I would have to look it up at home to
be sure).  This machine should run any public-domain or commercial software
that is designed for CP/M-Plus, and that includes almost all CP/M software.
The hardest thing is getting software onto the machine's unique 3" -- not
the standard 3.5" -- diskettes.

   My wife bought the Amstrad specifically for production of the Z-System
and other CP/M products that her company sells.  I expected the machine to
be nothing more than a toy but was most delightfully surprised to find that
it is a very solid CP/M machine and, with its substantial RAM disk, an
excellent platform for the Z-System.

   There is another series of Amstrad computers called CPC (464, 664, and
6128).  They apparently run CP/M-2.2.  I do not know very much about these
machines, but I have a contact in Germany who runs a computer club, many of
whose members have them.  I gather from what he told me that they emulate a
rather strange terminal that is not found on most software installation
programs.  Generally, however, there is little trouble in patching in the
terminal codes, and I do have a list of them.

   I would recommend that you pick up either or both of the following files
from the SIMTEL20 archives or from most CP/M remote access systems (commonly
called BBSs): CPMSVL-D.LBR (CP/M Software Vendor List), CPMSRC-H.LZT (CP/M
SouRCes).  These files have lists of sources of commercial and free CP/M
software.  If you have access to the SIMTEL20 archives, then you can get
thousands of files there that will run on your Amstrad.

   My wife has an excess of those ghastly expensive 3" Amstrad diskettes and
will sell boxes of 10 for $45 plus $3 shipping per order.  If you have no
other way to get software, I would be willing to put a few files on the
diskettes at no extra charge.  For a small copying fee, I would be willing
to convert any material you want from my Z-Node remote access sytem or from
the Boston Computer Society ZI/TEL system (which supports MS-DOS and CP/M
and also runs from my house).

-- Jay Sage


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Date: 12 Aug 89 00:16:54 GMT
From: ndsuvm1.bitnet!ud069225@cunyvm.cuny.edu  (Eric H. Romo)
Subject: Any Files For Older Altos Computer?

I have an Altos computer that was marketed under Moore Business
System's label. I understand it runs with a Z80 chip and uses
CPM, and it probably came out around the early 1980's. I'd like
 to make use of it alongside my Mac+. I understand the hard drive
 it has can't be easily interfaced to the Mac, but I'd like to
 make use of the Altos as best I can, including sending files
 back and forth to the Mac.

What I'd like to know in general is what public domain or
shareware programs are around for it, and can it run any garden
 variety CPM program(if such things exist). I have no manuals for
 the machine, plus I use my Mac+ for most everything. It's just
 that I got this Altos for cheap, and I'd like to explore what's
 out there for it, ESPECIALLY telecommunication programs and BBS
 host programs- I'm contemplating running a BBS off of it since
 it has a 8.5 Meg hard drive in it. I'd also like to know more
 about transferring files to and from my Mac+. Please send your
 replies to me: UD069225 at VM1.NODAK.EDU.

Thanks for whatever you can come up with..  Eric.

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Date: 12 Aug 89 18:33:20 GMT
From: cica!ctrsol!ginosko!xanth!wilso_d@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (DeWitte Wilson)
Subject: Bonzoed CP/M disk

Hi.  I somehow goofed up my CP/M disk for my Radio Shack Model II.  I
just bought the computer a few weeks ago.  It has one drive and one
Corvus hard disk (20 Meg).  I have (had) a disk which I could boot up
and it would go over to the hard disk.  Everything was working fine until
I ran some utility called TRS2CPM (or something like that on the
TRS-DOS diskette), and it asked me to switch disks a few times and
then it said something like "No Files Found".  No, I don't know what I
was doing, and I don't have a CP/M manual.  Here is the problem - the
system boots off of the floppy and looks like this :

63.00 K RADIO SHACK MODEL II CP/M VERSION 2.23F

COPYRIGHT (C) 1981, 1982 BY ATON INTERNATIONAL, INC.

COPYRIGHT (C) 1979 BY DIGITAL RESEARCH, INC.

(serial number information)

A>CLINK2 <- this is pulled from an autoexec.bat file

   --- CORVUS LINK INSTALLED ---

A>C:     <- also pulled from a file
C>

And that is all she wrote -- The system will not take ANY keyboard
input.  My other disks work okay (TRS-DOS), but the CP/M disk no
longer takes input.  I have the original disk and it doesn't boot at
all.  I'm lost, I know nothing about CP/M, and I haven't found anyone
around here that has ever heard of ATON international.

My theory -- somehow I must have messed up BDOS so that it no longer
takes keyboard input.  I also have Pickles and Trout CP/M, but it
won't read an ATON disk.. TRS-DOS doesn't want to read it either.

Thanks,
...dewitte


-- 
DeWitte Wilson <wilso_d@cs.odu.edu>                 Old Dominion University
CoSysop - The TrashBin BBS (tandy)             804-588-3013 [300=>2400] 8N1
        - Micro Enhancements BBS (IBM & Mac)   804-424-1514 [300=>9600] 8N1
"Mind your own business Mr. Spock, I'm sick of your half-breed interference."

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Date: 11 Aug 89 17:48:31 GMT
From: ima!cfisun!lakart!rna@decvax.dec.com  (Remote Network Archive)
Subject: New CP/M mail server

In article <647@lakart.UUCP>, by rna@lakart.UUCP (Remote Network Archive)
I mentioned the new server on lakart.UUCP - what I forgot ( :-) ) was
that the people who read this via the INFO-CPM mailing list _DON'T_
see the Usenet headers. So already I've had one request sent to my mailbox.

My apologies for the confusion: the definitive address to use is:

	rna@lakart.uucp

The following should reach it from Internet hosts:

	rna%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com
-- 
	rna@lakart.UUCP - Remote Network Archive	+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	....... !harvard!xait!lakart!rna		+-+-+ |
AKA:	rna%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com		  	  +---+

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Date: 14 Aug 89 16:36:28 GMT
From: usc!orion.cf.uci.edu!swooldri@apple.com  (Steve Wooldridge)
Subject: Utility to look at CP/M files

Earlier, I posted a note inquiring about availability of programs to
read CP/M files on an MS-DOS machine. I received several invaluable
responses. Now my problem is this: I had one diskette I was trying to
read from CP/M and write to MS-DOS format. The package I was using
(Xeno-Write) was unable to do this. When using a global search request
(*.*) to read all files, it scrolled segments of a file on the screen.

I am suspicious that the file was accidentally erased (if not, then the disk
is damaged) and that the program was looking for the file address which
was not there.

Do there exist programs like Norton Utilities for the CP/M operating system? 
If so, I can look at the file and see if anything can be retrieved.

Thanks in advance for any advice which might be rendered.

Please respond directly to my internet address (but also feel free to post
to the COMP.OS.CPM Usenet board.

Steve Wooldridge
University of California, Irvine
Tel. 714.856.8380

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Date: 14 Aug 89 17:37:31 GMT
From: hpl-opus!walker@hplabs.hp.com  (Rick Walker)
Subject: vi source??

/ hpl-opus:comp.os.cpm / dbraun@cadev4.intel.com (Doug Braun ~) /  4:19 pm  Aug 10, 1989 /
> I started trying to port STEVIE (from its Minix version) to CP/M.
> It is just too damm big, however.  You would need some fancy
> disk buffering scheme that would slow it way down.
> 
> 
> Doug Braun				Intel Corp CAD
----------
Consider the 'S' editor as presented with source code in Webb Miller's
book "A Software Tools Sampler", published by Prentice-Hall.  It is a
good VI clone and is both well written and easy to understand.  It also
fits well on a CP/M system.

Rick Walker
...!hplabs!walker

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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 17 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 165

Today's Topics:
                    Any Cromemco Owners Out There?
                      Guess that escape code...
              INFO-CPM Digest V89 #164 - CP/M conversion
                       KAYPRO PIGGY-BACK BOARD
          Power supply connector on 1/2 height NEC 8" drives
                        Question for BDOS guru
                    Utility to look at CP/M files
                            xmodem/kermit
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 89 10:41:59 -0400
From: gonzalez@BBN.COM
Subject: Any Cromemco Owners Out There?

I have a NorthStar Horizon for which I have been attempting to obtain a
soft-sector controller.  I located one, but one of the conditions of the
sale was that I had to take the whole computer.

So, now I am the proud owner of a Cromemco System Three, with 64K of RAM,
a parallel interface, and a soft-sector controller.  It can accomodate up
to four 8" floppy drives.  It came with one drive (a PerSci 277), which is 
reportedly broken.  So, now I need to locate a compatible 8" drive.  The
controller will take 8" or 5-1/4", but the OS is on 8" floppies.  At least
the ROM-based monitor will help me.

The plan was to get the controller and drive working on the Cromemco and
then transplant to the NorthStar.  The Cromemco is *so* nice, though, that
I may ditch the NorthStar.  It's good to have a *standard* S-100 bus, too.

So, does anyone else on the list have a Cromemco System?  Is the company
still in business?  They had a UNIX knockoff, apparently.  Anybody have
a copy I could buy or duplicate?  The supplied OS is supposed to be call
compatible with CP/M 1.3 applications.  Any applications?  I at least
need a terminal emulator/file transfer package if I'm to start getting
stuff from the archives.

				-Jim.

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Jim Gonzalez				ARPA/UUCP: gonzalez@bbn.com
BBN Systems and Technologies Corp. 	AT&T: 617-873-2937
Cambridge, Massachusetts		

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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 89 23:15 PDT
From: Steven Russell <SRUSSELL@uoneuro.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Guess that escape code...

I needs a little help.  I am trying to patch a program for my TeleVideo 
TPC-1 that originally was designed to run on an Osborne 1.  Near the top
of the program are two escape sequences that I am unfamiliar with.  They
are <ESC>j and <ESC>k (1B 6A and 1B 6B).  Does anyone out there know what
these escape codes do for an Osborne, or similar terminal?  These codes
are not in the Osborne manual, and I am stumped!

-Steven Russell

srussell@uoneuro.uoregon.edu
srussell@uoneuro.bitnet

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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 89 22:02:17 PDT
From: johnlee@pnet01.cts.com (John Wiley)
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #164 - CP/M conversion

Steve Wooldridge noted that upon examining his disks using a utility, he found
fragmented files.  It may not be relevant in this case, but I encountered a
similar problem in converting a "dinosaur" disk to MS-DOS.  It was due to an
interleave of 5:1 on the SSDD floppy of the older machine.  This means that
files written by the old machine were "chopped up" when read on the PC.  To
discover what the interleave factor was, I created a large file on the old
machine, with line numbers.  By studying the sequence of the file as read by
the PC, I was able to discern the 5:1 ratio.

Another possibility might be that the older machine is fragmenting the files
for optimum disk usage.  If so, a solution might be to copy the disk onto a
new disk on the old machine before reading it on the PC.  This would likely
produce unfragmented files (but wouldn't solve any interleave problem).

I hope this will help.

  **John Wiley     San Diego, California

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Date: 13 Aug 89 02:21:22 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!usc!oxy!xenobiotica@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Jonathan Espenschied)
Subject: KAYPRO PIGGY-BACK BOARD

      I have a Kaypro 1, circa 1981.  I have heard that there is a company
	   that puts out a piggy-back motherboard that not only makes the
	   K-1/2/4 roughly ibm-compatible, but raises the memory when it's
	   running in ibm-mode to the order of 256k.  While not essential,
	   this could definitely be a good thing.

       if you have heard of this product (i know it is or at least was out
	   there) or of the company that makes it, please drop me a line.

				      -thanx,
					   jon

		    ...cit-vax!oxy.edu!xenobiotica

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 89 08:49:38 EST
From: wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Power supply connector on 1/2 height NEC 8" drives

I bought a pair of used NEC drives recently. The power connector is not
one of the standard Shugart type connectors, but rather is a row of pins
with a push on connector. Does anyone know about the pinouts?
Thanks, Clarence Wilkerson.


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Date: 16 Aug 89 21:40:30 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsad!jon@hplabs.hp.com  (Jon Aldrich)
Subject: Question for BDOS guru

Any DRI people reading this, or any BDOS gurus, out there?
I have a specific question about my flavor of BDOS.  I'm
running cp/m-68k on an hp series 200 machine.  The system
documentation specifies support for an HP9133A hard drive.
I have access to an HP9133H.  Can my BDOS be modified to 
support this later model (more bytes) disc drive?

I've tried partitioning the 'H' into smaller units comparable
to the 'A' but I get solid disc errors when I try to use it.

Anyone have any clues?

			Jon "cp/m neophyte" Aldrich
			jon@hpsadpk.HP.COM

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Date: 16 Aug 89 11:44:27 GMT
From: ssbell!mcmi!amperif!unocss!mlewis@uunet.uu.net  (Marcus S. Lewis)
Subject: Utility to look at CP/M files

From article <2505@orion.cf.uci.edu>, by swooldri@orion.cf.uci.edu (Steve Wooldridge):
.... 
> Do there exist programs like Norton Utilities for the CP/M operating system? 
> If so, I can look at the file and see if anything can be retrieved.

Check out DU-V80.  THis is a PD absolute disk sector editor.  I have run it
on at least three different machines, and it seems to be very good, as long
as you know what you are doing.  You need to know the directory layout, and
how to read control blocks and such, but it's pretty slick.
You can edit in ASCII or hex at a minimum.  It won't follow the sector 
allocation sequence, you have to do that yourself.  Simtel20 ought to have it,
but I couldn't tell you where it might be.  I think it should be available
on all CP/M BBS's.

Good Luck
Marc


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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 89 13:51 EST
From: <DANNY%BCVMS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu> (Lassaiz les bon temps rouler!)
Subject: xmodem/kermit

Hello all,

I am trying to locate a copy of xmodem or Kermit that will run on a Kaypro cp/m
machine.  Does anyone out there have a copy or know where I could obtain one?
Any help would be *greatly* appreciated!

Thank you,

Dan Henderson
Computing Consultant,
Boston College

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 21 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 166

Today's Topics:
                      Guess that escape code...
        INFO-CPM Digest V89 #165 - forward of address inquiry
                   Morrow Computers, WordStar, etc.
                Need information on Diablo/Xerox 3000
                        Question for BDOS guru
                    Utility to look at CP/M files
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Date: 17 Aug 89 20:34:03 GMT
From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Guess that escape code...

In article <8908160706.AA10669@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, SRUSSELL@UONEURO.UOREGON.EDU (Steven Russell) writes:
> I needs a little help.  I am trying to patch a program for my TeleVideo 
> TPC-1 that originally was designed to run on an Osborne 1.  Near the top
> of the program are two escape sequences that I am unfamiliar with.  They
> are <ESC>j and <ESC>k (1B 6A and 1B 6B).  Does anyone out there know what
> these escape codes do for an Osborne, or similar terminal?  These codes
> are not in the Osborne manual, and I am stumped!
>

Don't worry about miodifying your program to accomodate your
Televideo.  They both use standard ADM-3A sequences.  However, you
might want to keep your eyes open for ESC-Gx sequences, but I doubt
the Osborne supports those sequences.  Otherwise, you really don't
need to modify your program.  Have fun (Or at least try to... :) 
-- 
Home:   Ian Justman       |UUCP:                 |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive       |                      |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA  95660| pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360            |                      |planet"

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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 89 23:28:56 PDT
From: johnlee@pnet01.cts.com (John Wiley)
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #165 - forward of address inquiry

I received an inquiry as to how to reach the moderator of INFO CPM from
Jonathan Hawes.  Due to my inexperience with routing, I thought it might be
best to use the automatic mailer here to pass the inquiry on to you.  I hope
this is the best course of action.  The address Mr. Hawes gave is:
jhanos@cup.portal.com

  **John Wiley     San Diego, California

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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 89 11:12:02 EDT
From: Tim Evans <aplcen!fallst!tkevans@mimsy.umd.edu>
Subject: Morrow Computers, WordStar, etc.

>From: osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu!phillips-e@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (earl)
>Subject: MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM
>
>Can anyone out there help me in trying to figure out my
>Morrow Designs CPM system? I have recently entered the
>world of computers new, and acquired the system
>serendipitously. I have down most of the basic machine
>commands, but am having trouble with the "Wordstar"
>software; specifically, how to retain newly-made files
>on another disk for future data entry. Any suggestions?
>
There are a couple of things you can do.  (It sounds like you got
the system, but not the documentation.)  First, call Oakland, CA
directory assistance and ask for a company called "Silicon Valley
Surplus."  SVS bought Morrow's inventory when Morrow when bankrupt.
Although this has now been 3 or 4 years, you still may be able to
get Morrow documentation from them--assuming the company itself
still exists.  :-)

Second, check your local bookstore or public library for books on
WordStar.  There are many, but be sure to look for the older (i.e.,
pre-Version 3) ones.

If you're willing to spend a few bucks, the WordStar Company (formerly
called Micropro) still sells Version 4.0 of WordStar for CP/M
computers, inlcuding Morrow's.  Price is < $100.  Call 1-800-555-1212
and ask for an 800 number for "WordStar International" (or "Micropro").

Good Luck.


-- 
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INTERNET:  tkevans%fallst@wb3ffv.ampr.org
OTHER: ...!attmail!fallst!tkevans
Tim Evans  2201 Brookhaven Court, Fallston, MD  21047   (301) 965-3286

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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 89 19:30:55 EDT
From: mbeck@ai.mit.edu (Mark Becker)
Subject: Need information on Diablo/Xerox 3000

Hello all -

I have nearby a working Diablo/Xerox model 3000 word processing unit.
It came with several single-sided 8" diskettes, none of which can be
read on my trusty old XOR S100 machine with it's WD1797-based disk
controller.

One of the diskettes is labelled CP/M-80.  Thats the good news.  The
bad news is the system doesn't recognize the disk.

The hope is to convert this system for use as a BBS for the hearing
impaired.  To do this, I have been hunting for a technical manual.  I
would like to know the backplane pinout and I/O port addressing for
the serial/parallel ports present on the machine.

I have been on the phone to one division of Diablo/Xerox after
another.  I have been shuttled from one long distance call to another,
finally completing the "loop" by the last-called division saying to
contact the first-called division.

The machine _is_ old; circa 1980.  But I am hoping someone _out there_
knows something about it or can refer me to the _right place_.

Your help is appreciated.  Please e-mail your information.  If there
is any interest, I will summarize to the group.

Regards,
Mark Becker
mbeck@wheaties.ai.mit.edu



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Date: 18 Aug 89 16:41:54 GMT
From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsad!jon@hplabs.hp.com  (Jon Aldrich)
Subject: Question for BDOS guru

It has been pointed out to me that what I really need to do is modify
BIOS instead of BDOS . . . silly me :-o).  So any cp/m-68k BIOS gurus
out there?
			humbly,
			jon "neophyte+" aldrich
			jon@hpsad

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Date: 21 Aug 89 18:48:20 GMT
From: oliveb!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun@apple.com  (Doug Braun ~)
Subject: Utility to look at CP/M files

Does anyone know if there is a version of the DU-type programs that
works with CP/M 3?  (Thanks, Bob Haar).  The program DUU, which I
have used for a long time on CP/M 2.2 crashes on 3.0 because
the 3.0 BIOS disk routines handle physical sector sizes larger
than 128 bytes directly.



Doug Braun				Intel Corp CAD
					408 765-4279

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 21 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 167

Today's Topics:
                    ANY CROMEMCO OWNERS OUT THERE?
                           CP/M ftp sites?
                     Dynabyte peripherals/manuals
                   Morrow Computers, WordStar, etc.
                         Onyx computers, help
          Power supply connector on 1/2 height NEC 8" drives
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Date: 18 Aug 89 18:18:00 GMT
From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!masnet!f1.n250.z1.fidonet.org!winston.yu@rutgers.edu  (winston yu)
Subject: ANY CROMEMCO OWNERS OUT THERE?

Sorry can't help you. I also have a North Star Horizon which is still running. The clerks in my wife's office use it everyday for the past seven or eight years. It has standard 64K a 5.25" floopy drive and a 5M hard drive. The hard drive is very sloooow compare to the new hard drive.
  
       It has a filing handling system called FMS80. They call it a database (this term is abused too  often). 
 
            Two years ago I bought a IBM AT clone for the office, but they get so used to the Horizon, that they refuse to use the AT clone.
--- D'Bridge 1.21
 * Origin: | Colour Dragon VI | D'Bridge/TBBS | (416)-823-4521| (1:250/1)

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Date: 18 Aug 89 15:10:02 GMT
From: agate!bionet!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watmath!julian!uwovax!2014_5001@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: CP/M ftp sites?

Are there any ftp sites other than Simtel20 that store CP/M80 software?

I am running on an 8086 (soon-to-be v30 if I find z80 software worth running)
system with CP/M emulator.

-- 
Alexander Pruss, at one of: Department of Applied Mathematics, Astronomy,
Mathematics, or Physics                     University of Western Ontario 
pruss@uwovax.uwo.ca         pruss@uwovax.BITNET          A5001@nve.uwo.ca 

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Date: 21 Aug 89 07:25:34 GMT
From: amdahl!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Dynabyte peripherals/manuals

A while ago, I got these S100 systems (I posted something about
it), but I don't have complete documentation.  For instance, the
CP/M 2.2 implementation on this machine has minimal documentation,
which covers features, and how to use "Dyanasys", which configures
which port does what, what drive is the warm boot drive, etc.  In
fact, it also said that the manual therein was under development.
I would very much appreciate finding out who has it and how I can
obtain doc's.

Plus, I have a few cards in my machine whick are without
documentation, like my hard drive controller, and a multiple serial
port card.  I would also like documenation and specifications, as
well as some schematics.

What I have is:

1 Dynabyte DB8/1 CPU card
1 Dynabyte Winchester controller card
1 Dynabyte floppy controller (w/Western Digital's 1781 LSI FDC)
1 Dynabyte Octaport set up for four ports
1 Dynabyte 64K dynamic ram card
3 Dynabyte 48K dynamic ram cards (These and the Octaport are needed
to run MP/M with 4 users)
1 Shugart SA851 8" DSDD floppy drive
1 Fujitsu M2301B 8" two-platter 10-megabyte Winchester drive

If anyone can help me, I will be eternally grateful!!!

Thanks in advance either way.
-- 
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6612 Whitsett Drive       |                      |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA  95660| pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360            |                      |planet"

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Date: 21 Aug 89 16:50:27 GMT
From: ubvax!ardent!peck!rap@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Rob Peck)
Subject: Morrow Computers, WordStar, etc.

>From: osu-20.ircc.ohio-state.edu!phillips-e@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (earl)
>Subject: MORROW DESIGNS CPM SYSTEM
>
>Can anyone out there help me in trying to figure out my
>Morrow Designs CPM system? I have recently entered the
>world of computers new, and acquired the system
>serendipitously. I have down most of the basic machine
>commands, but am having trouble with the "Wordstar"
>software; specifically, how to retain newly-made files
>on another disk for future data entry. Any suggestions?

CP/M normally tries to prevent you from writing to a disk that was not
in the drive the most recent time that the drive was accessed.  However,
Wordstar does have a command called "Log A New Disk".  Look on the
Control-K menu (press and hold the control Key, and then press and
release the K key) and wait for the menus to come up.  I think the
correct combination is ^KL.  You can then remove the disk from drive
B, and insert a new disk for reading and writing files.  I don't believe
that this can be done in the middle of an edit session, (WHILE you are
actually editing a file), but you can do this in between file edits.
You cannot remove the "A" disk while editing because the Wordstar messages
are coming from it while you are editing.

If you want to move a file from one disk onto a new disk to that you can
edit it there (where it is less crowded), use the PIP command as follows:

1. Make sure you know which file name you wish to copy on the source disk. 

2. Reset your system, (^C) with your master CP/M disk in the A: drive and the
destination (freshly formatted/initialized disk in drive B:

3. Issue the command PIP

4. The PIP prompt appears on the screen.  When your disk activity light
goes out, remove the A (master) disk and insert your source disk.

5. Type:  b:=a:filename.ext[v]

The file gets copied to the new disk.  Notice that this does not violate
CP/M's disk-change rules because the new disk you inserted is read-only
and that is all you are doing to it.  The B disk was in the drive when the
system was reset, so as long as it is not itself write protected, you can
copy to it.

6.  Reinsert your master disk into the A drive, and type ^C (Control-C)
to exit PIP.

How much (if any) Morrow documentation did you get with the system?
I don't have a Morrow, but did buy SOME of its docs at a computer swap
meet because I have a Kaypro and it runs most Morrow software.
For a small fee I may be willing to part with some of the docs that
I do have.

Rob Peck

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Date: 21 Aug 89 13:34:17 GMT
From: sumax!polari!corwin@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Don Glover)
Subject: Onyx computers, help

I am the proud owner of two onyx cpm/mpm/oasis computers, a onyx 5000
which is a single user 64k cpm system with a 20meg hard disk and a
onyx 8000 which is 4 user oasis/mpm system with 128k and a 20 meg
hard disk.  Currently these systems have no floppy drives in them.
My problems is that I can find no docs for these systems anywhere.
Both run as they are (booting from the hard disk), but I would like
to implement UZI or something similar on them and need low level
technical specs on them.  Also would like to to add floppies to them
and need some tech specs on them to do so.  If anyone out there has 
some docs for these systems I would appreciate hearing from you.
Thanx in advance!

Don Glover, the younger

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Date: 20 Aug 89 18:44:46 GMT
From: ncrlnk!ncr-sd!crash!mwilson@uunet.uu.net  (Marc Wilson)
Subject: Power supply connector on 1/2 height NEC 8" drives

In article <8908161349.AA29070@gauss.math.purdue.edu> wilker@GAUSS.MATH.PURDUE.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
>I bought a pair of used NEC drives recently. The power connector is not
>one of the standard Shugart type connectors, but rather is a row of pins
>with a push on connector. Does anyone know about the pinouts?

I have a manual for the FD1165, from NEC.  The power connector on that
one matches the one you describe, so I assume that it's the same drive.

Anyway, here's the pinout:

	1 -DC +24 v
	2 -- Ground
	3 -- DC +5 v
	4 -- Ground
	5 -- N/C
	6 -- N/C
	7 -- FG ( Frame Ground )

If you need it, I have both the product description and e maintenance
manual for the drive.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
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     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
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Date: 21-AUG-1989 13:31:14 GMT
From: ZMESP04%vaxa.cc.imperial.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK

Subject: VT100 terminal emulator for Amstrad PCW 8256

  
   Does anybody know if and how I could use my Amstrad PCW
8256 word processor as a VT100 terminal? Are there any
VT-100 emulators around?
   Please reply directly to me, as I am not a member of 
the list to the address below:

 @nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:zmesp04@vaxa.cc.ic.ac.uk

   Thanks , Stella


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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 24 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 168

Today's Topics:
                 Any Files For Older Altos Computer?
                        BDOS Guru for CP/M-68K
                        Trashed CP/M diskette
                   writing PC-DOS disks on a Kaypro
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Date: 23 Aug 89 06:28:56 GMT
From: ndsuvm1.bitnet!ud069225@cunyvm.cuny.edu  (Eric H. Romo)
Subject: Any Files For Older Altos Computer?

I recently learned that my Altos is a Altos 8000-10, which is running OASIS
system(v 5.5) but it can be made to run MPM via switching some jumpers. Can
anyone add anymore as to where and what I can get software to run on this
machine if/when I can convert it to MPM(Multiple CPM, I'm told)? Thanks.
Eric.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 21:21:24 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: BDOS Guru for CP/M-68K

Jon,  you are looking for the right thing, in the wrong place.

The tables that (SHOULD) control the disk size and configuration
are the DPH (disk parameter header) and DPB (disk parameter block).
They are located in the BIOS, which is unique to each machine type
you are using.  The BDOS and CCP doesn't change from machine to
machine (at least, not for a particular version of CP/M-68K).

You can get SOME idea of the DPH and DPB from the DSK: display of
the STAT command.  To really look at the tables you need to do
the following:

	Bring up DDT

	Punch in a little program to do a SELECT DISK

		BIOS function 9

	The value returned in Reg. D0.L is a pointer to
		the DPH.  Eight words into the DPH is a
		pointer to the DPB.  Pretty much everything
		the system knows about your disk is
		contained in these two tables.

If you have source to the BIOS, modifying it for a bigger disk
(or partitioning it) is trivial.  If not, it can be a challenge.
One problem is that the CSV and ALV may need to be increased 
in size for a bigger disk.

For further information, check pages 24 and 40-45 of the
CP/M-68K SYSTEM manual (note: page numbers may vary, I am
looking in an old manual).

			Luck 

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 89 21:02:21 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: Trashed CP/M diskette

I had to read the letter twice to get it all straight (I think).  And
I believe I know what happened to your diskette.

As I interpret things, you had a Model-II with a copy of ATON CP/M
booted, and tried to run a program called TRS2CPM.  That is a Pickles&
Trout program, which assumes certain things about the system ... no
telling *WHAT* it did to any diskette it found lurking around.

ATON was (is?) a company that sold CP/M for the Model-II, etc.
They made a very TECHNICALLY good product (extremely fast, and
found several hardware features in the machines that even TANDY
didn't know were there).  Their documentation and general quality
control were nowhere near the level of Pickles&Trout, however, and
as a result they never sold more than a small fraction of what
P&T did.

You're right, they all used a number of different disk formats
(standard??? what's that?).  P&T got more storage from a diskette,
but will not read Lifeboat or ATON diskettes (except in the common
SSSD interchange CP/M standard).  It ALSO sounds like you may
have a CORVUS hard disk.  ***BIG PROBLEM***   I could probably
salvage your ATON disk from some of the stuff I have around
TriSoft  (and we can certainly supply replacement P&T disks
and manuals), but we have NOTHING for the CORVUS hard disks.

ATON International *may* still be around, although I do not have
their address handy.  Maybe someone else can help with that.


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Date: 23 Aug 89 17:34:47 GMT
From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net  (William Swan)
Subject: writing PC-DOS disks on a Kaypro

In article <GARRY.89Aug22141045@retix.retix.retix.com> garry@retix.retix.retix.com (Garry Star) writes:
}Does anyone have a public domain program that allows a Kaypro to
}write MS/PC-DOS disks?  

I (actually, my mother) has need for this also. Her alternative is to sell
the Kaypro and buy a PC-clone. :-(


-- 
Bill Swan  entropy.ms.washington.edu!sigma!bill  Send postal address for info:
	Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years:
	Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002.
	                   In now:  0 years,  7 months,  0 weeks,  3 days.

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 89 10:54:39 MDT
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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 28 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 169

Today's Topics:
                       Current version of ZSM?
              Writing PC-DOS Disks on a Kaypro (2 msgs)
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Date: 27 Aug 89 22:56:20 GMT
From: uhccux!julian@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Julian Cowley)
Subject: Current version of ZSM?

I have been trying to get in contact with David Goodenough, the
author of ZSM, but to no avail.  I would like to know what the
latest version of the assembler is, since from what I understand
the version on simtel (3.2) is not the latest.  Anyone know if
there is a later version, and if so, where it may be obtained?

Thanks!

julian@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu
julian@uhccux.bitnet

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Date: 22 Aug 89 21:10:47 GMT
From: oliveb!pyramid!prls!philabs!ttidca!retix!garry@bbn.com  (Garry Star)
Subject: writing PC-DOS disks on a Kaypro

I have a friend that wants to transfer several disks worth of
data from her Kaypro to an IBM due to laser printer access.
Does anyone have a public domain program that allows a Kaypro to
write MS/PC-DOS disks?  Any pointers (or executables) would be
greatly appreciated.
Please reply via mail since I am not a subscriber to this group.
--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Garry Star, Retix,  (213) 399-2200
garry@retix.retix.com
X.400	C=US; ADMD=ATTMAIL; PRMD=RETIXX400; S=Star; G=Garry

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 89 09:28:59 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Writing PC-DOS Disks on a Kaypro

Bill Swan and others asked about public domain programs to allow reading
and writing MS-DOS disks on a Kaypro.  Why does it have to be public domain?
If you have a TurboROM or KROM, you can use the marvelous DosDisk from
Plu*Perfect.  It costs only $30, hardly a lot of money to make the machine
useful.  With DosDisk, one of the Kaypro drives will act just like an MS-DOS
drive: you can use all your standard programs to access files on the disk.
DosDisk is unique in giving you access not only to the root directory of the
DOS disk but to all subdirectories as well.

-- Jay Sage


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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 89 22:44:38 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #170
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL

INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 30 Aug 89       Volume 89 : Issue 170

Today's Topics:
                       Any IMS users out there?
                             BBS program
                Conversion of CP/M(?) files to MS-DOS
                    need help (1st): tatung tp2000
                   Writing PC-DOS Disks on a Kaypro
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Date: 30 Aug 89 17:56:30 GMT
From: meltzer@sun.com  (Sandy Meltzer)
Subject: Any IMS users out there?

I have some extra IMS (Industrial Micro Systems) equipment you
might be interested in.  I recently acquired an IMS 8000-SX
system with tape backup and 5 IMS 740 multi-user slave cards.
I have an older model 8000 which has been running my house for
the last seven years and would be intereted in selling or
trading the extra equipment.  Anyone interested?

Call me at (work)415-336-6829 or (home)408-257-5383.



-- 
Sanford "Sandy" Meltzer
	UUCP: {decvax,decwrl,seismo}!sun!meltzer
	ARPA: meltzer@sun.com (or meltzer@sun.arpa)
"Go for it! - you're only dollars away..."

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Date: 30 Aug 89 05:05:30 GMT
From: dispatch%ncsuvm.BITNET@jade.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: BBS program

Does anyone know of a multi-sig BBS program that will run on a Kaypro 4 with no
 HD (I'm looking towards a Message only board, no D/L's).  Please reply in this
 SIG.

    Thanks
               K-9 MK IV

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 89 08:33 EDT
From: <J_GRADY%UNHH.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Conversion of CP/M(?) files to MS-DOS

After seeing the discussion on file conversion, I'd thought I'd give my
current problem a shot.  Has anybody heard of an NEC PC 9801 and is it
a CP/M machine?  The basic situation is this; My boss is trying to put
together a book with various authors writing individual chapters.  One
hope of the publisher was to have all the chapters on disk (and in the
same format) so that the typesetting, etc. would be easier.  One of the
authors sent us his chapter on a 2SHD diskette from the NEC PC 9801,
using Wordstar version 4.0.  I called NEC here in the states and the
guy said that he's never heard of it and that the parent company in
Japan sells a completely different line of pc's.  If it is a CP/M machine
will any of the previously mentioned conversion software (Uniform, Media-
Master, 22DSK do the job?   I should mention, the only CP/M capable
machine we have is the DEC Rainbow, with the RX50 drives.  We have
several MS-DOS computers around, with both 360K and 1.2 MB drives avail-
able.  Please respond directly if possible.  Thanks.

John Grady
Chemistry Dept.
University of N.H
j_grady@unhh.bitnet

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Date: 30 Aug 89 23:48:34 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!cosmo2!fifi%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net  (A.F.Zinser)
Subject: need help (1st): tatung tp2000

hello,

a friend of mine asked me to place a request concerning a tatung cp/m-
machine to this group. he looks for contact to other tatung-users and
has some troubles as follows:
- as described in the manual, there should be a possibility to add a
  third disk-drive; but doing so, the controller sets all four select-
  outputs to high-level instead only drive-select-2. the disk controller
  should be a wd1793, but a MB8877A (fairchild?) is built-in.
  who knows anything about that problem or can tell us anything about
  that chip?
- other problems are to install a 2-mb-ramdisk and/or a 27-mb-harddisk.
  it also should be possible (manual), but there's no description, how.

please contact me, if you could help us and/or you're tatung-user too.

thanks in advance, axel zinser

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                      _     _                                            !
! Axel F. Zinser    (_!_) (_!_)    ...uunet!mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi        |
! Hannover, W-Germany !     !                      fifi@cosmo.UUCP        !
!                                                                         !
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: 28 Aug 89 17:36:42 GMT
From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net  (William Swan)
Subject: Writing PC-DOS Disks on a Kaypro

In article <8908260703.AA26950@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU writes:
>Bill Swan and others asked about public domain programs to allow reading
>and writing MS-DOS disks on a Kaypro.  Why does it have to be public domain?
>If you have a TurboROM or KROM, you can use the marvelous DosDisk from
>Plu*Perfect.  It costs only $30, hardly a lot of money to make the machine
>useful.  [...]
  
Speaking strictly for myself, it does not have to be public domain. It just
seemed more likely to be p/d than to be a commercial product.
  
Be that as it may - the Kaypro in question is vanilla, so where can I get a
"TurboROM" or "KROM", and how much is *that*?
  
(Also, do you have an address for Plu*Perfect?)
  
  
  
    
-- 
Bill Swan  entropy.ms.washington.edu!sigma!bill  Send postal address for info:
	Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years:
	Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002.
	                   In now:  0 years,  7 months,  1 week,   1 day. 

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