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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  1 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   90

Today's Topics:
       format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
                      Looking for Modem Software
                          Modems and Kaypros
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (5 msgs)
                     Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:41:07 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
Message-ID: <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com>

I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned
here earlier this summer.  The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but
the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the
distribution disk.  All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format.  Well,
one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it.  Anyone out there know
what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk,
etc,) to read this disk?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: 1 Sep 92 15:12:22 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!porpoise!network.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: Looking for Modem Software
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.151222.23482@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--
I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 system the has 2 3.5" drives in it. I
am looking for some 
software to drive a modem that also can boot itself or I need a boot
disk also.

The machine currently only has some word processing software for it, but
I would like to
use it as a terminal. So, if anyone has or knows where I can get it (ftp
or otherwise), please
let me know. I also am looking for a cheap 2400 baud modem that will
work with this setup.

Thanks
============================================================================= 
                                                 
Craig Carpenter                                   HARRIS CORPORATION
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Date: 1 Sep 92 18:01:07 GMT
From: synchrods.UUCP!daniel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Daniel Senderowicz)
Subject: Modems and Kaypros
Message-ID: <9209011801.AA11820@synchrods.synchrods.com>

I use both QTERM and kermit 4.11 on my kaypro II as terminal
programs. QTERM has a command to hang up the modem (^\,) which
doesn't seem to work. Has anybody been succesful in hanging up
the modem on a kaypro II? I was told that the problem is due to
an unusual wiring scheme in the machine. Thanks,

Dan (daniel@synchrods.com)

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Date: 31 Aug 92 17:27:29 GMT
From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lawrence LeMay)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>hi,
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>????????????????????????
>-- 
>.....................................................................
>:    Etop Udoh                             Eudoh@sct.edu            :
>:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
>:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
>:                                                                   :
>:      Abandon all hope ye who have entered  " CYBERSPACE "         :
>:...................................................................:

I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!!

I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when
i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then
gave me MD2D instead....Sigh.

-Lawrence LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu

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Date: 1 Sep 92 00:26:44 GMT
From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <BtvIKL.41w@world.std.com>

In article <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:
>
>I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!!
>
>I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when
>i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then
>gave me MD2D instead....Sigh.
>
Did you try them?  I think 360K disks should work in a 720K drive.
Your mileage may vary.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com

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Date: 1 Sep 92 03:23:02 GMT
From: panix!jeffj@nyu.edu  (Jeff Jonas)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.032302.10236@panix.com>

I've used 360k floppies on my 720k drives and they work fine.
Unless you're using real old floppies that are barely qualified for
double sided, modern floppies are quite capable of the higher track
density.
I once calculated the bit densities for track-to-track and
bits along a track.  Even at double density, the density along
a track is significantly higher than track to track.
I've done quite well with the bulk floppies.
You should not be spending more than a quarter a piece.
(heck - I've bought 8" double sided floppies for a dime each,
and I've recently been getting them for free).

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@synsys.uucp

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Date: 31 Aug 92 21:14:08 GMT
From: sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!hobbes!gerardka@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Gerard Kam)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <la52t0INNgtc@west.west.sun.com>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>hi,
>
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>????????????????????????
>-- 

	Try:
		Lyben Computer Systems  1-313-649-4500
		Global Computer Supplies  1-800-845-6225

	Both carry 3M 747-0RH, which is a 5.25" quad density diskette
	for about $20-$24 per box of 10.

	I have used 3M DSDD diskettes in 96tpi Shugart and Panasonic
	drives with no ploblem; they are a lot cheaper than the QD
	diskettes!

	Regards -- Gerard

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Date: 1 Sep 92 07:37:04 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifi!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Weber)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.073704.13451@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...

Under DOS I could format standard 360K 5-1/4" disks to 720K with a programm
called FDFORMAT. 
-- 

Juergen G. Weber
Student am Institut fuer Informatik
Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:26 DST
From: ANDREA@AGRCLU.ST.IT
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80


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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  2 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   91

Today's Topics:
                COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR)
                        ncr decisionmate help
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (2 msgs)
                      Re: CPM For Sale (2 msgs)
                  The easiest way to convert formats
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Date: 2 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!robertj@uunet.uu.net  (Robert Jaquiss)
Subject: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR)
Message-ID: <1207@tekgen.bv.tek.com>

     I have a Compupro 8-16 for sale.  I bought it for a project but no longer
need the equipment.  If interested please call or write.

	Robert Jaquiss

Phone: (503) 627-4444 (Work)
       (503) 626-7174 (Home)

Internet: robertj@tekgen.bv.tek.com

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Date: 2 Sep 92 00:47:55 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.com]@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (blair groves)
Subject: ncr decisionmate help
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.1042.2819@dosgate>

Hello out there in networld! I have just aquired an NCR DecisionMate V
computer, and need some help with it:

Although I have boot disks and CP/M manuals for it, I have no users
manual for the actual machine itself. I will send what it costs to copy
your manual if you have such a machine...

Second dilemma: the machine came with no I/O ports, I believe these are
plug-in modules for RS-232 and Centronics Parallel. Does anyone have any
spares of these, or know where I can obtain them? Alternatley, if you
can send me a schematic for them, I can produce my own. (Pre-fab'd parts
preffered though.)

There is also a curious DB-9 male connector on the right-hand side of
the keyboard... can anyone tell me what it is used for?

Much Thanks in advance for anyone who can help!

BTW, I am also looking for a good communications package for the NCR
too!

blair.groves@canrem.com
---
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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Date: 1 Sep 92 00:36:54 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Aug31.173655.22450@crash>

gI have had no trouble at all using generic 360k diskettes at 720k.  The track 
density doubles, but the recording density remains the same.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:36:48 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <" 2-Sep-92  8:36:48 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...

Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:35 GMT
From: agate!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: Re: CPM For Sale
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.172135.27475@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--Mail to you bounced so,..............

550 uonline.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown
550 rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)... Host unknown

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Subject: Re: CPM For Sale


-- 
 --Cardinal 2400 Baud External Modem                     $   35
 --Plain Hayes compatible (No FAX, MNP),  includes
 --Procomm and Telix to get you started.  Good solid
 --case like external Hayes Smartmodem.

Does this include CP/M software (bootable??) or can I get a boot disk
from you as well.
Need 3.5", I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 and only have word
processing disks for it,
not a standalone boot disk.

If this will work, I will buy this from you (with cable ??)
thanks

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Date: 2 Sep 92 02:54:38 GMT
From: infoserv!uonline!rjus@uunet.uu.net  (ren_just)
Subject: Re: CPM For Sale
Message-ID: <92.5505@uonline.com>

mamason@portroyal.world (Mason) writes:
: 
: I might be interested in the Morrow, depending on cpu/terminal model.
: My email to you bounces.
: 

Sorry folks, both the Morrow and the Altos have been sold.  After 
numerous offers, I wish I had more of these units.  Surprising how
many people are using these things still (or are you folks collecting
them for use in a musesum? <grin>)

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:53:57 SET
From: Jacques Goldberg <GOLWS%CERNVM.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <9209020357.aa29394@WHARF.BRL.MIL>

Hello.

May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.

I also have the Media Master package on CP/M, which costed me some
money, but I never use it, as it is so more convenient to transit on
a PC with 22DSK.

Regards - Jacques

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:51:44 CDT
From: "Andy Stewart, Reference Librarian" <C3038B@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU>
Message-ID: <920901.225144.CDT.C3038B@UMRVMB>

May I add to the veritable flurry of CP/M systems being offered for
sale??  I have had no mechanical/electronic problems (or, for that
matter, modifications) with the Osborne 1 (SS/SD) I bought about ten
years ago.  Used it for relatively lightweight word processing, and,
more recently--very lightly as a terminal to the local "BIG" computer.

I don't have any idea as to the market value (but wondered if the
Boston Computer Exchange even "lists" Osbornes any more?....), so will
be glad to hear from Osborne enthusiasts who may need a working machine
for spare parts, as a backup machine, or whatever with offers to
purchase!!  [Please, I'd feel badly accepting anything over $10,000 :-) ]

More details:
      Grey case Osborne 1, 64K, two floppy drives
      All original copies of software which was included:
            Wordstar (v.2.26?)
            dBase II (never used!!) complete with _two_ manuals
                and a keyboard template
            SuperCalc
      Blue-cover paperback user's manual Osborne
      Townsend, Carl, _Using dBase II_, Osborne-McGraw-Hill, 1984
      Miller, Alan R, Mastering CP/M, Sybex, 1983
      IMP (communications) software "ready to go" with cable included
      2 dozen or so floppy diskettes

      whatever else I can find that will fit into the original box and
packing material.  If you're not interested in buying this package, but
have an opinion as to its value, I'd be glad to get a brief message, but
it's too late to convince **ME** as to the relative merits of CP/M over
DOS.  I just don't have the time to dig into the guts to get CP/M to do
what I want it to--more or less on my own.

      Please respond directly--there's no need to clutter up INFO-CPM
with responses (this is too long already!)

      Andy Stewart
      314-341-4007 (work)
      314-341-2789 (home
      Internet:  c3038b@umrvmb.umr.edu
      Bitnet:  c3038b@umrvmb (I think this will work; I've never tried it)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri,  4 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   92

Today's Topics:
                ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs)
     Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
                Re: The easiest way to convert formats
                 Term Program for Apple CP/M (2 msgs)
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Date: 3 Sep 92 19:04:49 GMT
From: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!Walter.E.Stephens@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Walter E. Stephens)
Subject: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.190449.19115@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

I have an old Epson Geneva PX-8 laptop that I use as a notebook for
wordprocessing.  Does anyone know of software set-up that will allow me
to transfer files (ASCII in Portable WordStar) to the Macintosh?  I
know it exists because I used to do it regularly four years ago. 
Unfortunately, the software dreamed up by a developer here no longer
works for me, I suspect because my operating system on the Macintosh is
too new.  I've tried all the old o.s.'s I could get hold of and nothing
works.  Currently I use Macintosh system 6.0.8 on Mac Plus, SE-30, and
LC.  Grateful for *any* help.

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Date: 3 Sep 92 13:24:11 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!killer@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Francis J Park)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.132411.20887@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>

Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
It seems since the media is the same, it should work.

-- 
******************************************************************************
Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94  Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
S-1, Pershing Rifles, Co E, 8th Rgt		              WWIVLink 1@14060
******************************************************************************

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Date: 3 Sep 92 19:25:11 GMT
From: destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@gumby.wisc.edu  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep03.122511.14458@crash>

Francis J Park (killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
: It seems since the media is the same, it should work.
:
 Sorry, the media are distinctly NOT the same!  It is unlikely that the
 720 drive could even successfully format the disk - much less write data 
 to it.  The 1.2 floppy requires a much higher magnetic force to write 
 to it.

 

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Date: 4 Sep 92 05:20:34 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <Zw2LqB4w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz>

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes:

> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
> It seems since the media is the same, it should work.
>
If it were, you could. But it isn't.

1.2MB floppies are High Density.  720K floppies are Quad Density.  360K
floppies are Double Density.  Now it turns out that the media currently
used in 360K floppies copes with 720K format (more tracks, no higher bit
density in the track) better than 1.2M floppies (which expect a higher
bit density in the track).

I've had better results with 360K floppies than I've had with 1.2MB
ones, and they're cheaper too :-)

> Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94  Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.ed

--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)

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Date: 3 Sep 92 22:18:40 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com!aclark@decwrl.dec.com  (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
Message-ID: <94lnlwa.aclark@netcom.com>

In article <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes:
>
>I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned
>here earlier this summer.  The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but
>the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the
>distribution disk.  All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format.  Well,
>one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it.  Anyone out there know
>what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk,
>etc,) to read this disk?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help!
>
>Curt
>

The early Kaypro II's could read the Xeror 820 format, as I remember.
You might try it out.
-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.

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Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT
From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.dec.com  (Bill Opalka)
Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>

|>
|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.
|>
|>Regards - Jacques
|>

I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very successful at it.  Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger work







s, than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use a communication program.


/Bill

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Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Francois levesque)
Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M
Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca>

Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple 
II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of 
that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or 
Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome.
                                        Francois Levesque

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Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Francois levesque)
Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M
Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca>

Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple 
II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of 
that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or 
Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome.
                                        Francois Levesque

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  5 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   93

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M make utility
                             CPM Software
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs)
                 Re: Access to Internet through CP/M
                Re: The easiest way to convert formats
             WANTED:  Xerox 820 word processing software
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Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:23 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watmath!undergrad.math.waterloo.edu!napier.uwaterloo.ca!dmwick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dale Wick)
Subject: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
current.

BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
include a make utility.

			Dale
--
dmwick@descartes.uwaterloo.ca	| Ask me about my Coleco Adam.  It does tricks
CompuServe: 76545,2566		| Come to AdamCon05 in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Sometimes: u190@cs910.cciw.ca	| My favorite clone: MS-DOS from CP/M
	President MTAG -- Metro-Toronto Adam user's Group

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Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:42 GMT
From: littlei!linda!linda@uunet.uu.net  (Linda Harbin)
Subject: CPM Software
Message-ID: <2313@gandalf.intel.com>

We have an old (8 years old) Epson 8086 CPM computer.  We recently got a new
386 DOS machine but kept the Epson in hopes of giving it to our 6-yo
daughter.  We would like to get some educational software and games for it
but cannot find anything in the stores.  Everything is for Apple of DOS!

Can anyone suggest a place where we could get some software for this ancient
computer?  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks. 


***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:54:25 PDT
From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <XX000132f7@pallio.UUCP>

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) asks:
> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
> It seems since the media is the same, it should work.

Not quite. There *IS* a difference in media between IBM 1.2 meg
disks and IBM 360K disks / Quad density 720K disks. If you don't
believe me, try taking a 360K disk, and formatting it to 1.2 megs.
OTOH, as has been noted you can format 360K disks to 720K (or even
800K) in an IBM 1.2 meg drive: I have a couple of utilities to do
this, and use the 800K format for all my archival backups. It
provides by far and away the best cost per megabyte: 25 cents for
800K works out to about 32 cents per megabyte.
     dg
---
 + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Most GUI's I've seen are pretty gooey

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Date: 4 Sep 92 19:42:26 GMT
From: ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!spt@rutgers.edu  (Scott P. Toenniessen)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>
>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>
>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.
>

I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
this for a few months).

                   Scott

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Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:55 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lawrence LeMay)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu>

In article <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:
>In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>>
>>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
>>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
>>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.
>>
>
>I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
>this for a few months).
>
>                   Scott

Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
do not have these rings...

So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
density disks?

-Lawrence LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu

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Date: 4 Sep 92 20:19:12 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Access to Internet through CP/M
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.201912.7211@news.unomaha.edu>

I use both a 4/84 and a 4+88 to work with the internet.  The obstacle you
will encounter is that your host machine may not have software that works
gracefully with the Kaypro.  Some editors presume function keys; some
host software does the same.  The problem lies not in the Kaypro but in
your host mainframe.

If your systems people cannot help you out with an editor and/or support
for the ADM-3A that the Kaypro emulates, perhaps you can find a keypad
redefinition program (several were available for the Kaypro at one time)
that will allow you to program the function key codes into the numeric
keypad.  I'm not sure if it is possible, but it is certainly worth a try
if your host system won't support the Kaypro.  Good luck.

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 92 10:03:33 GMT
From: access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@decwrl.dec.com  (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.100333.763@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

In article <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> opalka@atom.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka) writes:
>|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
>|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
>|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
>|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
>|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
>|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
>|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
>|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.

>I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use 
>a communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be 
>easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. 

I've written Yet Another CP/M disk conversion for the PC which I think is
pretty keen.  It installs as a device driver instead of being run as a
standalone program so you can manipulate files right off your CP/M floppy
instead of copying them to an MS-DOS disk first.  The drive letter it gives
you can be accessed like any MS-DOS drive, but reading your CP/M disk.  
This would be especially handy when you're running a CP/M emulator like Z80MU
or looking at dBase files.  It is limited to reading only.

I'm finishing up the documentation now, so I'll have a beta test version
ready Real Soon Now.  If you're interested in beta testing this program
(called CP/M Reader), let me know and I'll send you a copy when it's ready.
It currently has about 40 or 50 different disk formats built-in, so it 
should work on just about any 512 byte per sector MFM format disk.  I only
have my own computer to test it on, so I can only say that Superbrain disks
work like a charm (except for my disk alignment problem, grrr).

I'll post a notice here when it's out of beta test.

>>> Dan
-- 
Internet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca               Compu$erve: 72365,306

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Date: 5 Sep 92 01:44:00 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!cats.ucsc.edu!scotty@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Scotty Brookie, UCSC Social Sciences Computing)
Subject: WANTED:  Xerox 820 word processing software
Message-ID: <1893d0INN1sm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

Hello, I'm looking for word processing software, preferably
Wordstar, that will run on a Xerox 820 with 5.25" disks.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Scotty Brookie			       scotty@cats.ucsc.edu
Social Sciences Computing, UCSC	       scotty@cats.bitnet
Santa Cruz CA 95064
408 459 4625
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #94
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  5 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   94

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                     Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92
              Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor
                      Re: Z80 language compilers
                          z80 language comp
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Date: 5 Sep 92 23:51:58 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.235158.15422@bilver.uucp>

In article <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:

>Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
>having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
>do not have these rings...

>So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
>for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
>density disks?

Hub rings have nothing to do with the density, capacity, etc.

The reason hub rings are not needed on the high-density drives, is that
the drive spins on inserting the disk.  The hub motion is
self-centering because of the rotation.

The older designed drives, the full-height ones, used varying tapers on
the clamping cones.   These drives did NOT rotate upon insertion, and
the hub rings were the added re-inforcment to keep the center holes of
the disks from crimping.

You could really crunch the older disks too, as the drive was done via
a belt and you could really get some torque going in comparison to the
direct drive units.

I had disks (in the 1979/80) era that would spin in the full height
drives, but would not in the half-height direct drive units.


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:06:54 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.bitnet@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:15:13 MDT <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> said:
>
>Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT
>From:
>
>deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.
> dec.com  (Bill Opalka)
>Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
>Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
>
>|>
>|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
>|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
>|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
>|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
>|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
>|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
>|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
>|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.
>|>
>|>Regards - Jacques
>|>
>
>I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a
> communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be easiler
> than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM
> boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs
> are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very
> successful at it.  Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine
> to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger works,
> than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use
> a communication program.
>/Bill
     Sure, Bill, except that you made an implicit assumption which in my
case does not work: my Z80 CP/M Lobo is my HOME workhorse, while there is
a PC on my OFFICE desk. To follow your recommendation I would need to leave
the PC powered up at all times, to inflige a modem to any person calling me
when I am out of office, to deny phone calls to my family, and to work much
slower than you say with the old 1200 bauds modems which I own. Instead, when
I need a copy here and there, 22DSK on the PC does it instantly!
By the way in the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 (not MSDOS, CP/M), there IS a
program that works very well on my Lobo to read/write in PC-compatible
format, I just forgot its name.
  / Jacques

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 1:33:30 EDT
From: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor
Message-ID: <9209060133.18926.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>

In a three-part uuencoded posting to comp.os.cpm totaling about 180,000 bytes,
grebyn!daily!bob@uunet.uu.net (Robert A. Baumann) wrote:

> # This is a fully-functional version of Joan Riff's "Z80MU PROFESSIONAL" Z80
> # and CP/M 2.2 Emulator, which allows you to run [most] CP/M 2.2 and Z80 or
> # 8080 software on the IBM PC. This is the complete product, an exact image
> # of the same emulator (version 5.2B) that we use here at CCS to produce Z80
> # controller software on the PC.
> # 
> # This IS NOT a posting of a new product. It is a reposting of Z80MU
> # PROFESSIONAL version 5.2B, necessitated by the flurry of inquiries that we
> # are getting from Internet sites, especially in Europe and South America.

I'd like to remind you of the long-standing policy against posting binaries
to comp.os.cpm or its Internet counterpart the Info-CPM mailing list.
The file you posted has been available from the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil
archives for several years.  It was obtained direct from a representative
of the author.

Directory PD1:<MSDOS.EMULATORS>
 Filename   Type Length   Date    Description
==============================================
Z80MU52B.ARC  B  117207  900108  CP/M (Z80 processor) emulator for MS-DOS

An index of all files in the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil MS-DOS collection
is available in two formats:

Directory PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>
 Filename   Type  Description
==============================================
SIMIBM.ARC    B   Comma-delim list of all MSDOS files w/descrip.
SIMLIST.ARC   B   Text format list of all MSDOS files w/descrip.

These files are updated every 7-10 days.  See AAAREAD.ME in that
directory for details. 

SIMTEL20 allows only nine ANONYMOUS FTP logins during weekday
prime time, 5am to 3pm Mountain Time (GMT-7), but 27 otherwise.

SIMTEL20 files are also available from mirror sites OAK.Oakland.Edu
(141.210.10.117), wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4), ftp.uu.net
(137.39.1.9), nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), src.doc.ic.ac.uk
(146.169.3.7), nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) or archie.au (139.130.4.6),
by e-mail through the BITNET/EARN file servers, or by uucp from UUNET's
1-900-GOT-SRCS.  See UUNET file uunet!~/info/archive-help for details.

OAK.Oakland.Edu is the most up-to-date mirror because I maintain it,
in addition to my duties at SIMTEL20.  I run OAK's mirror program
whenever new files are added at SIMTEL20.

If you do not have FTP access to SIMTEL20 or its mirrors, files may be
ordered by e-mail from LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU or LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU.

Domain addresses in other countries:

     Turkey: trickle@ege.edu.tr
    Belgium: trickle@ufsia.ac.be
    Austria: trickle@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at
    Germany: trickle@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
     Israel: trickle@vm.tau.ac.il
Netherlands: trickle@hearn.nic.surfnet.nl
     France: trickle@frmop11.cnusc.fr
   Columbia: trickle@unalcol.unal.edu.co
     Taiwan: trickle@twnmoe10.edu.tw

If your mailer wants bang paths: uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv
				 uunet!vm.ecs.rpi.edu!listserv

If you use bang paths, substitute your nearest neighbor which is also
on the Internet for uunet in the examples above.  Some examples are:
ames, decvax, decwrl, harvard, hplabs, nosc, rutgers, sharkey, sun,
ucbvax, ucsd, udel, uw-beaver, wuarchive.

Send this command to the server to get its help file:

GET PDGET HELP

Sample command (which gets our catalog of MS-DOS files):

/PDGET MAIL PD:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMLIST.ARC UUENCODE

These commands should be sent as the body of a regular email message.
Do not include a signature because it confuses the server.  If you
have xxdecode, you may wish to specify XXENCODE instead of UUENCODE to
avoid character translation problems.

Comments, questions, and suggestions should be directed to the LISTSERV
manager at one of these addresses, depending on which server you normally
use:

                          Internet                  BITNET

        "John Fisher" <FISHER@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU>   <FISHER@RPIECS>
         "Marty Hoag" <INFO@VM1.NODAK.EDU>      <INFO@NDSUVM1>
"TRICKLE Maintainers" <RED-BUG@EGE.EDU.TR>      <RED-BUG@TREARN>

Please do NOT send your comment or question about the servers to SIMTEL20.
However, if you wish to report a program bug or to request information
on how to upload files to SIMTEL20, you may send e-mail to me at one
of the addresses below.

   [Note: Do not use ftp-by-mail servers without the permission of your
   system administrator and (if fed via uucp) your uucp feed.  Thank
   you.  Justification: many sites simply don't have the disk space
   set up to do this without warning, and mail disruption may result.]

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or       w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                          BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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Date: 5 Sep 92 23:31:25 GMT
From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@uunet.uu.net  (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Z80 language compilers
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.233125.20594@news.unomaha.edu>

Mix Software, 2116 E. Arapahoe, Suite 365, Richardson, TX, 75081, used to
market a C compiler for CP/M.  I still use my copy for CP/M programming
and use Turbo C for the DOS environment.  Only minor compatibility
problems, and they usually arise when I want do use some of the extensions
that Turbo C makes available.  The Mix C documentation has been worth the
price of the compiler.  When I bought it the Mix C compiler was selling
for under $30, and if it is still sold it should be worth the price.

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 92 16:22:48 GMT
From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![larry.moore%canrem.com]@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (larry moore)
Subject: z80 language comp
Message-ID: <19925.1042.2837@dosgate>

Reply_to Message-ID: <9224115.20260@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Subject: Z80 language compilers

>Hi,
>I'm looking for a/some high level language compilers for the z80 series
>of processors, eg, C, Basic, whatever....

>Preferably public domain or shareware, can anyone tell me where these
>may be found and if they exist?

>thanks in advance!

> Marc Alexander maa@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au ph +61 3 3447689 fax 3446678 
> Electrical and Electronic Eng. Dept. Melbourne University, Australia 

I hope you have received a number of replies by email, nothing has 
passed this way in this newsgroup.  

If Modula-2 is acceptable, there is a compiler package from Workman & 
Associates - since FTL was written in Queensland Oz, you might already 
know of this and have a more convenient source.  The CP/M version was a 
very reasonable price and there is a version for MSDOS and TOS.

For the language 'C', don't know of a really good public domain compiler 
package. BDS C isn't PD but is interesting ...  



| {canrem, dciem}!lfergus!larry | Nanet CP/M conference chair person.  |
| CP/M UUCP/mail(using David Goodenough's uucp21b on a TeleVideo 803H) |
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95
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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  8 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   95

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M MAKE UTILITY
            Moving files between Apple operating systems.
           Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                       TeleVideo mouse software
                       TRS80 Model III for sale
           Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box
                         Western Digital....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 8 Sep 92 04:16:03 GMT
From: uunet.ca!canrem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net  (Larry Moore)
Subject: CP/M MAKE UTILITY
Message-ID: <XX0000006e@lfergus.UUCP>

In message <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, Dale Wick 
asks:

>z  Newsgroup: comp.os.cpm
>z Message-ID: <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
>z    Subject: CP/M make utility
>
>Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
>not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
>use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
>current.
>
>BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
>include a make utility.
>
>			Dale
There have been about four different versions of 'make' ported to 
CP/M.  The source for one, in Manx Aztec C was written up in a 
back issue of 'Doctor Dobb's Journal'.  Perhaps you might check 
the Periodical Index to find the right volume of DDJ, UofWaterloo 
has/had a fairly complete set of that magazine.  If they've done 
a housecleaning in the last decade, leave a message here with the 
volume number needed.
Good luck.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:29:50 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: Moving files between Apple operating systems.
Message-ID: <9209081329.AA01201@tmpcu.mdc.com>

There is a shareware utility called Chameleon that can move both text and
binary files between DOS 3.3, Prodos 8, CP/M, and Apple Pascal.  Works great!
If you are using a super serial board and find a CP/M executable that talks
to it, I would like to know.  I have MEX and the SSB overlay, but have never
gotten around to trying to get it working.

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:34:55 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>

The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format.  Can anyone out there
tell me what utility and what equivalent format to  use to read this (uniform,
22disk, etc.).  All our attempts thus far have come up dry.  A Xerox 820 can
not read or boot this disk.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: 7 Sep 92 02:35:04 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <1992Sep7.023504.14440@csi.uottawa.ca>

Just as a possible irrelevant question:  Can something like this
system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible?
-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program

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Date: 8 Sep 92 09:00:55 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: TeleVideo mouse software
Message-ID: <18hq47INNsr3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Does anyone know of any software for the TeleVideo TS803, TS803H,
or TPC-1 CP/M computers that utilize the TeleVideo SuperMouse
besides TeleDraw?  
   
I pulled out my SuperMouse and TeleDraw the other day and wondered
why there wasn't more software for it.  Just thought I'd ask.  Take
care.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

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Date: 7 Sep 92 20:34:19 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!daver!ditka!infopro!neptons@uunet.uu.net  (Roger Barth)
Subject: TRS80 Model III for sale
Message-ID: <1476250@neptons.UUCP>

I have a trs80 model III computer that works.  One of the drives 
needs some work.  TRSIII DOS and NEWDOS are included.  Give me an
offer plus shipping if you want it.

----
Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA            Coherent 4.0.1
roger%neptons@antares.intel.com                 916-677-9771 (voice)
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----
Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA            Coherent 4.0.1
roger%neptons@antares.intel.com                 916-677-9771 (voice)
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Date: 6 Sep 92 03:14:45 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs!lesley@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lesley Walker)
Subject: Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box
Message-ID: <1992Sep06.031445.29003@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz>

sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>
>In 1982 we were running Xenix on 8086 boxes from
>Altos (with an Altos proprietary memory manager) and their own UNIX
>port on the Onyx Z-8000 machines mentioned earlier.  Both were 512k
>machines, and both worked well.

That first one sounds like a machine I am currently trying to repair.

Does anyone have any technical information about the Altos 586?

My immediate problem is with the floppy drive.  I bought a replacement
floppy drive for the one that died while I was trying to replace the
crashed hard disc... 

The good news is, it is possible to boot up from the new floppy. 

The bad news is, the system will only read from the floppy if the drive is 
already spinning when the read attempt is made.  Eg, the first boot attempt 
fails, but the second works, as long as the second attempt starts while the 
floppy is still spinning from the previous attempt. 

The question: Is there some way I can wire up the floppy drive so that the 
motor is always spinning as long as the power is on?  (I realise this is a 
horrible solution, but it's the easiest I can think of) 

Or is there some sort of Drive Ready signal that I can fake somehow? Would 
any of the jumpers on the drive have anything do with it? 

The drive is 5.25" quad density made by Mitsubishi and it has jumpers on it
labelled MX, HS, HM.  There is a jumper in the HS position.


(I have cross-posted fairly widely, and redirected followups to comp.periphs
and comp.unix.xenix.misc, as this hardly qualifies as a folklore question)

Replies by email would be appreciated, as the system I am posting from
expires articles *very* quickly and I could easily miss something important.


-- 
  -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=-
        lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz                      Vote for MMP!
   DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 3:25:05 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,


  Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and
do they have a tech support line ??????
-- 
.....................................................................
:    Etop Udoh                             Eudoh@sct.edu            :
:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
:                                                                   :
:      Abandon all hope ye who have entered  " CYBERSPACE "         :
:...................................................................:

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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 10 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   96

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                    Re: CP/M make utility (2 msgs)
                 Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 (2 msgs)
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                   Re: Message for Bill Vermillion
                   Re: Western Digital.... (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:31:25 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <" 9-Sep-92  9:31:25 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

Just to be nit-picky  :-)  720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density,
though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!!  The drives/disks are
DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density
drive/disk.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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Date: 8 Sep 92 04:53:02 GMT
From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!ahm@rutgers.edu  (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Re: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com>

dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes:
> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
> not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
> current.
> 
> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
> include a make utility.

Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA.
As I recall, it had a "make" utility.

It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines.
I played with it for a while, and it's great!
(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS).

Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc.

Cheers,
Andy
--
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
 ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
 ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.

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Date: 9 Sep 92 04:23:45 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gratclif@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Gregory W Ratcliff)
Subject: Re: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <1992Sep9.042345.14873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In article <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes:
>dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes:
>> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
>> not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
>> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
>> current.
>> 
>> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
>> include a make utility.
>
>Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA.
>As I recall, it had a "make" utility.
>
>It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines.
>I played with it for a while, and it's great!
>(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS).
>
>Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy
>--
> Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
> ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
> ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.

I've got a copy of C/80 with the mathpack
for $30.00, I'll pay shipping in the US.
It works great, but we went to Archimedes tools at work.  I used
it on  a pc with z80mu.  A great combination.  You can single step
the code and debug without an ice.

Gregory W. Ratcliff
-- 
Gregory W. Ratcliff  Ratcliff.8@osu.edu  on the internet   
Columbus, Ohio     ICBM
nz8r@w8cqk 	 on the air
N1697X     	 in the air

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:06:57 SET
From: Jacques Goldberg <GOLWS@CERNVM.cern.ch>
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95

direct e-mail bounces.

Have you tried reading that diskette with 22DSK138's 5 different Xerox
formats? You can't harm your diskette with attempts to read it (protect it
first, one never knows).
In your place this is certainly how I would begin.

Jacques

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Date: 9 Sep 92 17:21:54 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu  (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95
Message-ID: <BuBMwJ.C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is
single density. A standard PC floppy controller probably won't
read a single density track, since that pin on the controller is
not connected to anything. On the 22DISK DOCUMENTATION near the
back, it's explained how to modify a card to read single density.
With this modification, I've been able to read single density Osborne
and Heathkit diskettes.

-- 
Clarence Wilkerson      \ Bitnet:       wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm
Prof. of Math. (topology)\ Internet:    wilker@math.purdue.edu
Dept. of Mathematics      \ messages:   (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548
Purdue University,         \ office:    (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem)
W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \ 

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Date: 9 Sep 92 03:49:47 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!peter@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Klavins)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <peter.716010587@citr.uq.oz.au>

bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes:

># from SEA). There is an accompanying file Z80MUDOC.ARC which contains the
># manual in PostScript format (which may or may not be available at all
># sites which have Z80MU52B.ARC).

Z80MUDOC.ARC doesn't seem to be on any of the archie-listable sites.
Can you post a pointer to it?  Or can you upload it to SIMTEL-20, which
doesn't have it?
--
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 Peter Klavins    Internet: peter@citr.uq.oz.au   Fidonet:    3:640/821
 Centre for Information Technology Research       Phone: +61 7 365 4321
 University of Queensland QLD 4072 Australia      Fax:   +61 7 365 4399

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Date: 10 Sep 92 04:00:06 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Message for Bill Vermillion
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.040006.1688@bilver.uucp>

In article <9209070703.AA25333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes:
>Bill,
>I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was
>to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of
>the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of
>a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in
>working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif.
>outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this
>list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking
>sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place).
>My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not
>say take...) any offer!
>                       Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il
>                                    ^^
>                                    \\--two ZEROES please

Sorry to use the net to reply, but my mail to you bounced.  I was
forwarded the message.

Locally Jim Smith has a pair of Lobo's and does have a hard drive on at
least one of them.  He should be able to help you out.

Address him as   js@tous.oau.org

Try mailing me at bill.vermillion@oau.org.  If that get's through we
will have to look at the local aliasing, and then I'll send you more
info.



-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

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Date: 8 Sep 92 15:11:13 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (CP/M lives!)
Subject: Re: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <1992Sep8.091113.58707@cc.usu.edu>

In article <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>, eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes:
>   Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and
> do they have a tech support line ??????

I don't have a phone number, but it's been my experience that if it does
not involve a PC they won't even know that it ever existed.

Roger Ivie
ivie@cc.usu.edu

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Date: 8 Sep 92 17:39:33 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <1992Sep08.103933.20789@crash>

 
Western Digital
    Technical support: (800) 832-4778, 7am--5pm Pacific time, Mon-Fri.
 
    BBS (714) 756-1234 [2400-8N1]
        (714) 753-1068 [9600-8N1]
        Contains copies of most of their documentation.
 

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #97
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 12 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   97

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
     Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. (2 msgs)
                          simtel *.?z? files
                           Source for xccp
            Wanted:  Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module
                         Wanted CPM Emulator
                         Xerox Floppy formats
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 12 Sep 92 02:52:06 GMT
From: rde!ksmith!keith@uunet.uu.net  (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep12.025206.2237@ksmith.uucp>

In article <".9-Sep-92..9:31:25.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>
>Just to be nit-picky  :-)  720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density,
>though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!!  The drives/disks are
>DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density
>drive/disk.
>
>				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

Hmm,  So let's get this straight.  They are double track and double
density.  2 * 2 = 4.  4 times the density is NOT QUAD density.  Got it.

To pick a nit ....

The org CP/M disks I had were 10 hole hard sectors with 100K per side on
a single sided disk, basically DS/QD is 7+ times that.  The issue at
hand is DENSITY however.  Density meaning how tight the bits are packed. 
Tightly packing the sectors and increasing their size to 512 bytes
enabled us to get 180K on the side of a disk rather than the old 100K
functionality.  This basically put the "bits" almost twice as close
together on a given track, hence "double" density.  Doubling the number
of tracks brings the bits another factor of 2 closer together hence the
term "QUAD DENSITY" diskettes.  QD diskettes were marketed extensively
pre-ibm and clone takeover for hardware such as EPSON, OLIVETTI, SEIKO
(Yea The watch guys sold computers!) and my Heathkit.  The AT&T 3B2 used
these puppies too.  Now the quality of standard IBM "Double Density"
360K media is so good it will work fine as 720K "Quad Density" too. 

The Current Crop of AT/HD stuff is even higher than quad, packing 15 512
byte sectors on a track instead of 9 a factor of 1.7 improvement in
density.  The 3.5" disks on the other hand STARTED at 720K which was
called "double density" so the 1440K 18 SPT 3.5's are now often called
"quad density" which is where the confusion may be from. 

The REAL density improvement on 5.25" has not "really" doubled though.

Single Density = 100K per side
Double Density = 180K per side really 1.8 density not 2
Quad Density   = 360K per side really 3.6 density but advertising you know. 
High Density   = 600K per side They didn't push to "HEPT" density on
		 this one :)

Again this is BIT density, nothing to do with actual storage mind you. 
Also the 3.5's really started out on the HD emulsions.  Now the NEW
stuff comming out is pushing 10MB on Standard floppy style media.  They
stopped "densitizing" the names (finally, thank god) and just say
"2.4MB" or "5MB" 5-1/4" media.
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...

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Date: 10 Sep 92 04:49:52 GMT
From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@uunet.uu.net  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <1992Sep09.214953.15599@crash>

With a copy of AnaDisk you should be able to determine whether it is readable
on a PC, and the characteristics of the format - sector size, interleave, 
sector numbering, etc.

With that information, you should be able to 'build' a custom format identity
for 22Disk, and thus read the disk.

An alternative is to send the disk to Sydex, along with the 22Disk registration
fee, and they will 'build' the format identity for you.

------------------------------

Date: 10 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!umassd.edu!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!welchb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.094540.1@woods.ulowell.edu>

In article <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>, curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes:
> 
> The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format.  Can anyone out there
> tell me what utility and what equivalent format to  use to read this (uniform,
> 22disk, etc.).  All our attempts thus far have come up dry.  A Xerox 820 can
> not read or boot this disk.

I do not have the direct answer.  However, I have something which may be of
help to you, or be useful for general info:
In the appendix for Kenneth Heyda's "MULTI-SYSTEM 180 with ZCPR2.3"
there is a list of system format parameters for about 20 manufacturers.
I will copy it to here if desired.

E.g., XEROX 820 SD has 18 sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, and is 
(of course?) S (=single density).
XEROX 820-II DD    has 17,               256,  and (of course?) D.
There is no other Xerox listing.

-- 
Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG,  welchb@woods.ulowell.edu

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Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!think.com!paperboy.osf.org!hsdndev!cfa203!cfaitamp2.harvard.edu!babb@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (James ..-. Babb)
Subject: simtel *.?z? files
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.203713.4626@cfa203.harvard.edu>

On simtel in the pd:<cpm> directories there are a lot
of files with names of the form *.?z?  (for example,
*.azm, *.izf, *.tzf, etc.)

I presume this is some sort of packed file.
If this is true, could someone tell me what the
unpacker program is? I am using CP/M 2.2G.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Babb
babb@cfa.harvard.edu

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:17:25 BST
From: jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Subject: Source for xccp
Message-ID: <1986.9209101617@csunb6.scs.leeds.ac.uk>

There is an extended ccp called XCCP on simtel20 that I would like
the source of if anybody knows where it or its author are could they
let me know please.

cheers
Jim Jackson
=======================================================================
Jim Jackson                                  Email :
School of Computer Studies	        UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.scs
Leeds University                          Internet : jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Leeds    LS2 9JT
UK                                           Phone :     +44 532 335451
=======================================================================
     Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here.


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Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:49 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Richard F. Drushel)
Subject: Wanted:  Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module
Message-ID: <18o8jhINNm8b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

	The title says it all.  This board is used to program 68701
microcontrollers (internal EPROM) and can also read 6801s (internal
mask ROM).  Yes, Motorola still sells them new, but I would like to
try for a used board first, hopefully at substantially less than
$498.00 :)  If you have one lying about unused, or know of one, please
reply by E-mail.  Many thanks!
-- 
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Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
"Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell
miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem

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Date: 11 Sep 92 07:59:51 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net  (Andrew Prusek)
Subject: Wanted CPM Emulator
Message-ID: <andrewp-100992172531@134.18.56.252>

Hello all:

Does anyone know of a CPM emulator so I can run CPM80 on platforms
that are not of the 8080 family.

I know of one for 8086 machine running DOS but am looking for one that runs
either on Macintosh computers or Unix boxes.

Why? Because I have some CPM software that I run now and again but my
Z80 computer is getting old and tired (Drive problems, blown power supplies
etc etc).

Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Andrew

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BHP Information Technology                            Fax   : 086 40 4720
Whyalla

[When all is said and done, ]
[more will be said and done!]

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:52:44 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Xerox Floppy formats
Message-ID: <"11-Sep-92 10:52:44 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

> I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is
> single density.

With the exception of the Xerox 16/8 DEM, all Xerox floppy formats have track 0
formatted as single density.  While I fight with 22DISK to get it to work with
the Xerox formats, I HAVE gotten it to work.  Of course, it does not work for
Xerox 820 disks, since they are single density, and the controller in the PC
can't handle that (without modifications).

I may be way out in left field here, but if I remember right, the first couple
of tracks are reserved for the boot sectors, and there should be nothing for
22DISK to read there anyway.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 15 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   98

Today's Topics:
                        AT&T 3b2 computer....
                      FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
                          KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                            Re: 720k disks
                      Re: AT&T 3b2 computer....
               Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro!
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:35:25 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: AT&T 3b2 computer....
Message-ID: <9209121935.AA24144@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,


   looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer.....

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:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
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Date: 15 Sep 92 18:12:47 GMT
From: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@g.ms.uky.edu  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.181247.3952@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--
I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of.

The specs as I know are:

	Mac SE look-like case
	2 - 3.5" drives
	Parallel and Serial Ports
	Word Processing Software Package
	Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel
	     with Twin-bin sheet feeeder
	     and approx 40 extra ribbons.

	From what I have learned this is  a CP/M system

Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers.

Thanks
============================================================================= 
                                                 
Craig Carpenter                                  
E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com 
Phone : (407)984-6444                       
Fax   : (407)984-6327           
                                            
"Me, Myself, and I have                 
these opinions, not the company"
============================================================================

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Date: 14 Sep 92 22:30:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!lbartel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
Message-ID: <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu>

I'm writing this on behalf of some friends.  What could be causing Wordstar on
a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five
minutes of operation?  The characters exist in the text file and print fine but
do not display on the CRT.  After about five minutes of operation these
characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything
behaving normally except for the display.  The digits and punctuation
characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT.  I'm sorry I
don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used,
but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's.  This machine has served
them very well in Spain, and now in the US.

I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well.

Lawrence Bartel
in%"lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu"

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:06:39 PDT
From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <XX00013315@pallio.UUCP>

> What would you say is the equivalent
> cost of using 3.5 inch disks formatted to 1.6 MB?

They'd have to be less than twice the cost of the cheapest 360K
disk you can find to be effective. And that doesn't include the
cost of the hole puncher needed to run 720K 3.5" disks at 1.44 meg
densities.
     dg
---
 + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Be alert! The world needs more lerts

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Date: 13 Sep 92 22:28:00 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: 720k disks
Message-ID: <DL02qB1w165w@ijpc.UUCP>

lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:
>
> In article <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:

> >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
> >this for a few months).

Well, I've got one up on ya.  I've been doing this for a few
YEARS.

> Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
> having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
> do not have these rings...

Believe it or not, I've seen DSHD diskettes WITH hub rings.  In
fact, I have a few in my collection.

I guess a reason that HD diskettes have no hub ring is so then
the dumb-ass user can tell the difference between a "360K" disk
and a "1.2M" disk just by looking at it.

> So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
> for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
> density disks?

I've seen DSDD diskettes without hub rings, but those are a PAIN
to find.  I wouldn't waste my time worrying about those silly hub
rings.  Just get DSDD diskettes and get it the hell over with...
:-)

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Date: 15 Sep 92 13:07:30 GMT
From: uunet.ca!geac!r-node!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net  (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: AT&T 3b2 computer....
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.130730.16037@druid.uucp>

eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes:
>   looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer.....

I didn't know that a 3B2 could even boot CP/M.  :-)

-- 
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D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082   |

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Date: 15 Sep 92 02:35:08 GMT
From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net  (Gregory Watson)
Subject: Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro!
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.023508.3530@access.digex.com>

In article <1992Sep13.233104.27654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kharber@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith A Harber) writes:
>I have the following Kaypro portable computer.  It has a Z80 in it, runs
>CP/M, and has no hard drive--I think it only has 128k ram.

	It is a 4Mhz Z80A with 64K.
>
>"Kaypro" in blue on sides of machine, blue keyboard.  "Kaypro" on top
>left of keyboard.  Front of computer has gray CRT, displays green text on
>black background.  A blue "1" is near the 2 disk drives A and B, which are
>half height drives mounted VERTICALLY on the right.  On the back of the
>machine, underneath the handle, is "KAYPRO 1" in blue, next to it is a 
>sticker with Kaypro 2 on it, along with FCC ID CUL7XLKP2.  The serial #
>on the back of the machine is 391875.  Other than the reset button, power
>switch, fuse, power input, and brightness controls, there is the following:
>
>J2, six pin phone type connector
>J3, serial printer output port
>J4, Modem I/O port (serial)
>J5, Keyboard 4 pin phone type connector
>J6, Parallel Printer output port
>
>I'd appreciate any help in identifying this Kaypro, someone told me that
>Kaypro maybe just had a few Kaypro 1's for testing/prototype purposes, and
>it evolved into the Kaypro 2 and this one was modified to be a 2.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Keith Harber
>kharber@ed.ecn.purdue.edu
>
	No, it really is a Kaypro 1.  The Kaypro 1 was introduced
around 1985 or so.  It came after all of the Kaypro 2's.  A brief
description of what is has is: 64K, 2 Ds/DD disk drives, 2 serial, 1
parallel, came with CP/M and Perfect Writer.  It has what was called
the "Universal Roms", which was when Kaypro finally got around to
standardizing the roms in all of the machines.

	I have one of them sitting downstairs, along with an original
II'83 and all of the documentation if that can help.  I've also
cross-posted this to comp.os.cpm (which is why I left in so much of
the article.  Apologies to those who get concerned about that sort of
thing.)

			Gregory Watson
			gjw@access.digex.com
			gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails)

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #99
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 20 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   99

Today's Topics:
                     dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30
                  dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
                      Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
                          need os for kaypro
                  Posting to Usenet / Readnews.....
                        Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
                    Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
               Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale
               Want software for XEROX cpm machine....
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Date: 20 Sep 92 09:27:45 GMT
From: das.wang.com!wang!news@uunet.uu.net  (Joel Jacobsen)
Subject: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30
Message-ID: <2354@itexjct.jct.ac.il>

When I'm tring to run dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30, andhave more the aprox.
1 minute 'idle time', the dBASE crash. 

The system is:

      Televideo TS-803, 128K RAM
      TurboDOS 1.30
      dBASE running from bank 1

What is wrong?

      Joel

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Date: 17 Sep 92 11:42:26 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@uunet.uu.net  (Willi Messmer)
Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
Message-ID: <Buq0Ir.GLu@lut.fi>

Yes, Ashton's dBase II install.cmd for my cpm86 system is needed.
So, if you have one, please mail me.

Willi
messmer@lut.fi

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Date: 16 Sep 92 03:46:40 GMT
From: world!jws@uunet.uu.net  (jim w stephens)
Subject: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
Message-ID: <BunJtt.2vK@world.std.com>

I am looking for information about some Kaypro computer's
which are equipped with Drivtec Drives.  These are 3.3Mb
capacity drives which were manufactured in the 84-85 timeframe.

I believe these machines were called Robie machines or some
such.  I cannot boot normal 360k floppies on these machines,
although the Drivtecs I haved used on PC's will do so.

Thanks
Jim Stephens
jws@world.std.com

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Date: 15 Sep 92 21:13:07 GMT
From: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!cuajg@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu  (Arthur Gramlich)
Subject: need os for kaypro
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.211307.11688@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

Hi everyone,

My mom recently bought some kaypro computers at an auction? Unfortunatly
they didn't have any disks or manuals.  Could someone please tell me
where I could get the o.s. disks for this computer??? Please E-mail me.

Thanks

Jay Gramlich
cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:56:57 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: Posting to Usenet / Readnews.....
Message-ID: <9209171556.AA20787@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,

  Wondering if anyone knows of anyway to post to USENET'S comp.sys.....
newsgroups ??????

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Date: 16 Sep 92 15:30:20 GMT
From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!jet!dba@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dennis B Armstrong)
Subject: Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
Message-ID: <1992Sep16.153020.6170@jet.uk>

In <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>I'm writing this on behalf of some friends.  What could be causing Wordstar on
>a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five
>minutes of operation?  The characters exist in the text file and print fine but
>do not display on the CRT.  After about five minutes of operation these
>characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything
>behaving normally except for the display.  The digits and punctuation
>characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT.  I'm sorry I
>don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used,
>but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's.  This machine has served
>them very well in Spain, and now in the US.

>I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well.

It sounds like the character generator EPROM is flakey and some of
the bits are failing.
There was a discussion on this in sci.electronics not so long back.

Try removing the EPROM and cleaning the pins if it is socketed, otherwise
resolder the pins.

good luck
dennis


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  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.

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Date: 16 Sep 92 17:21:27 GMT
From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
Message-ID: <1992Sep16.102128.28214@crash>

There were two Kaypro manifestations of the Drivetec 3.3 floppy disk drive.
One was the Robie (Darth Vader's lunchbox), and the other was the 4X which
was the normal Kaypro box but with Drivetec's vice normal 360's.

Either version was capable of reading a 360k disk, *but*, only after booting
from the 3.3 disk.  Neither version was capable of writing to a 360k disk.

------------------------------

Date: 17 Sep 92 17:03:08 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org@uunet.uu.net  (Bart Jahnke)
Subject: Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale
Message-ID: <537@arrl.org>

For Sale: Televideo TPC-1 Portable PC. 

          It has two 5-1/4" DSDD drives, and 64k memory (plus a spare
             10 k for application software that can utilize the extra 
             memory.

	  Has built-in amber monitor and keyboard which serves as
             a front panel cover during transit.

          Have Wordstar, Uniform (a disk read/write utility which 
             permits file transfers to many different operating
             systems including MS-DOS) and other interesting
             programs.

      $115 (or best offer).  Shipping negotiable.
                                                          
      Contact Bart Jahnke at 203-666-1541 (ext 251) days, 203-742-5128
        nights, or Email to "bjahnke@arrl.org".

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Date: 21 Sep 92 03:19:03 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net  (Martin Halford)
Subject: Want software for XEROX cpm machine....
Message-ID: <ins279k.717045543@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi!

My Father, not being computer minded, paid too much for a Xerox cpm machine
at an auction not so long ago.

It came with NO disks, NO documentation and NO refund......
Consequently, he wants me to get it running for him so that he can do some
basic word processing, spread sheet and database work. (Nothing fancy, but
enough to keep track of bills etc. in his small business)

I know absolutely NOTHING about cpm and have only subscribed to this news
group to find out if the machine can still be used....

It is a Xerox machine (as already stated) with two 8" floppy drives, and a
pretty standard looking CRT. The machine has no visible model name or 
identifyable markings other than "XEROX" on it's crt case. The machine
displays the following message when it is first turned on...

	 XEROX 820 RX VER 1.0...
	 L - LOAD SYSTEM 

It has a printer port, comm port and the keyboard and disk drives also have
port connections going into the crt box where the cpu obviously lives.
I opened the crt box to see if there were any easily identifyable chips or
interesting helpful "other things" but not much made sense to me (what did
I expect?)

Does anyone know what sort of software runs on this dinosaur, & where I could
get it etc??? What disk format does it use?? Any information (useful or
otherwise) would be greatly appreciated!!!

Please e-mail me or post replies here...

Thanks.....martin  (ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au)

ps: sorry if this is a FAQ.... 


-- 
 Martin Halford
 email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au	phone: +61 3 836 4531
	"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh"
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #100
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 23 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  100

Today's Topics:
                     Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer
                         Half dead Kaypro II
                    Mysterious Televideo computer
                   Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                    Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
                   Re: Half dead Kaypro II (2 msgs)
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                  Re: Mysterious Televideo computer
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 23 Sep 92 05:41:59 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224159.16949@crash>

 
      I'm looking for any available information *and* a System Disk
      for a Gnat Model 10M CP/M computer.  The machine was built in
      San Diego CA in about 1984, and is a single unit machine with
      a 12" screen, two 5.25" FH floppy drives, and a keyboard with
      10 function keys, arrow keys, and a numeric keypad all in the
      same box.
 
      Any information - whether software, hardcopy, or lore - will
      be greatly appreciated.
 
 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

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Date: 22 Sep 92 18:51:00 GMT
From: olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!donald.uoregon.edu!rbear@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Richard Bear)
Subject: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu>

I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.
I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have
just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be
suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up,
CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 

------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 92 05:28:35 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!athena.cs.uga.edu!rholmes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Robb Holmes)
Subject: Mysterious Televideo computer
Message-ID: <1992Sep21.052835.2679@athena.cs.uga.edu>

I have come into possession of a device made by Televideo, and would
appreciate any information anyone could supply.

I have found no model number on this computer, so I can only report that it 
is a self-contained unit, with a monitor mounted on vertical pivots.  Stacked 
to the right of the monitor are two 5.25" vertical disk drives.  The keyboard,
which attaches to the system unit with a coiled cable and modular telephone
connector, has a label that says "Tele-PC", and is laid out much like
the keyboards on the early IBM PC.

Of course, no disks or documentation came with this thing.  I'm guessing
it's a CP/M machine, but does anyone recognize it from the description?

-------
Robb Holmes  WUGA-FM  Ga. Center for Continuing Ed.  Univ. of Georgia
rholmes@athena.cs.uga.edu  rholmes@uga.cc.uga.edu  bitnet:rholmes@uga

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Date: 23 Sep 92 05:42:59 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224300.17008@crash>

 
      I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN.  Will
      pay costs of media, mailer, and postage.
 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

------------------------------

Date: 22 Sep 92 17:11:43 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.171143.18926@mlb.semi.harris.com>

----
--I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to
get rid of.
--
--The specs as I know are:
--
--	Mac SE look-like case
--	2 - 3.5" drives
--	Parallel and Serial Ports
--	Word Processing Software Package
--	Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel
--	     with Twin-bin sheet feeeder
--	     and approx 40 extra ribbons.
--
--	From what I have learned this is  a CP/M system
--
--Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY
offers.
--
--Thanks

Anybody have any interest in such a system or even the printer. The
printer alone has got to be
worth at least $150 (ribbons alone cost $120). This thing is taking up a
lot of space that I need
and really want to get rid of it. Please make some kind of offer.
========================================================================
====== 
                                                 
Craig Carpenter                                   HARRIS CORPORATION
E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com 	  IIIIIIIII    SSSSSSSS   DDDDDDD
Phone : (407)984-6444                         I        S          D     
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Fax   : (407)984-6327                         I        SSSSSSSS   D     
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                                              I               S   D     
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"Me, Myself, and I have                   IIIIIIIII    SSSSSSSS  
DDDDDDD
these opinions, not the company"
========================================================================
=====

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Date: 23 Sep 92 02:48:01 GMT
From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net  (Gregory Watson)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <1992Sep23.024801.23922@access.digex.com>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes:
>Switch on, warms up,
>CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
>not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 

	Did you also remember to swap the terminating resistor?  Also
have you tried cleaning the drives?  Also try it with just one drive
connected.

			Gregory Watson
			gjw@access.digex.com
			gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails)

------------------------------

Date: 23 Sep 92 01:48:12 GMT
From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <Bv0D0D.99u@world.std.com>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes:
>I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 
When you swapped the drives, did you change the drive select jumpers?  Does
either one of the drive LEDs come on?

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com  b.marcum@genie.geis.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:05:07 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <9209231305.AA07203@LL.MIT.EDU>

Christopher Browne (cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca) wrote:

>> Just as a possible irrelevant question:  Can something like this
>> system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible?

   Probably not.  Z80MU does not implement a complete and accurate CP/M
system.  It does a good enough job to allow one to run most standard CP/M
application programs, but it cannot handle operating-system-level stuff.

   However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of
Australia called MYZ80.  It creates a totally complete CP/M environment,
including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. 
It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System
running under it.  Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on
SIMTEL20.  My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System
Z80/Z180 computer

-- Jay Sage


------------------------------

Date: 21 Sep 92 13:44:39 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!mde@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Dennis Evenson)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Televideo computer
Message-ID: <66274@cup.portal.com>

What you have sounds like a Televideo 1605. It is an MSDOS compatible machine
It will run off the shelf MSDOS.

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #101
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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 25 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  101

Today's Topics:
                            cpm_swap_meet
                  dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
                      Help with Televideo TS816
                       Re: Half dead Kaypro II
                 Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                   TRS80, a brief introduction....
                  WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
                              Y Wing II
                       Z280 Development Systems
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 23 Sep 92 06:18:32 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!utcsri!geac!torsqnt!unixbox!dosgate!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.  (blair groves)
Subject: cpm_swap_meet
Message-ID: <199223.4443.2932@dosgate>

The third annual CP/M Swap Meet is tentatively going to take place ...

Place: Canada Remote Systems office seminar room
       Crestlawn Drive, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Date:  Saturday October 10, 9:00AM to Noon.

Activities: Swap and sale of CP/M computers, terminals, peripherals,
            and software.

            Round-Table discussions

            News on current events

            Demo's

            & More

Anyone who is interested in CP/M, or wants to buy/sell/swap anything to
do with CP/M, is welcome.

Please send E-Mail replies to: blair.groves@canrem.com
---
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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Date: 24 Sep 92 10:04:01 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@uunet.uu.net  (Richard Plinston)
Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
Message-ID: <10292267.36241.1575@kcbbs.gen.nz>

   >>>>> dBaseII for CP/M-86

   Better send me your snail-mail address and disk format required.
   I'll see what I can do.

   cheers

   

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Date: 22 Sep 92 00:08:33 GMT
From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!azog@rutgers.edu  (Billy D'Augustine)
Subject: Help with Televideo TS816
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.000833.20452@spatula.rent.com>

Hiyas all. For some time now, Ive had a TS816 that I didnt do much
with, so it sat around idle for about a year. Now the other day when
I went to power it on, it wouldnt boot. The belt slipped of the hard
drive, and when I put it back on, I fear that I spun the drive motor
in reverse. For those not familiar with Quantum 8" drives, this can be
A Very Bad Thing. (apperently what happens is the head is mounted on 
a sort of diagional, and when spun backwards, it gouges the platters)

So now I am in sort of a situation. When I first aquired the machine, I
used the tape drive to dump all the data onto carts, so I have a backup
of all the stuff. But, I cant boot it. The head arm goes into its 
jumping back and forth fits, and never arrives at the boot track. 
But, hopefully all is not lost. I have a spare Quantum Q2040 laying 
about (same size drive), that I can replace it with, but the problem is
getting a boot onto it. I know that the 816 can boot from a tape, but 
I dont have a bootable tape. Is there someone out there who could create
one for me, with the dump program on it (and directions, its been a long
time and I dont recall the command syntax) so I can restore it? I would
reimburse you with a replacement tape, and/or shipping, as you desire

Thanx!

Billy D'Augustine
azog@spatula.rent.com

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Date: 23 Sep 92 05:52:38 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!wixer!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lindsay Haisley)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <1992Sep23.055238.23749@wixer.cactus.org>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Ric
hard Bear) writes:
>I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.

>I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have
>just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be
>suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up,
>CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
>not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move?


In your situation I'd check out your boot disk.  You can do this on any MS-
DOS machine using one of several programs which will read and write the
Kaypro II SSDD format.  One such, which I have on my BBS (512-259-1261, the
Kaypro Club of Austin (TX)) is 22DISK, a shareware set of programs which
allow reading and writing of files to and from floppies using various CP/M
formats.  Another offering from the same company (Sydex) is ANADISK, also for
MS-DOS machines, which will check your boot disk for dead sectors.  Our BBS
offers assistance for Kaypro CP/M users, in as much as we can over the
distances involved.
-- 
"Everything works if you let it"       |       Lindsay Haisley
                                       |       roadhog@wixer.cactus.org

------------------------------

Date: 25 Sep 92 05:44:43 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <1992Sep24.224444.17484@crash>

Thanks for the helpful suggestions/hints/leads.  I've got 'em now!!

------------------------------

Date: 23 Sep 92 11:54:13 GMT
From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Willi Messmer)
Subject: TRS80, a brief introduction....
Message-ID: <Bv152E.2uv@lut.fi>

Yes, I'm receiving a TRS80 for little money but I actually don't know
anything about the hardware facilities it has, only that it has two floppies
in it, so what I'm asking is if someone could give me an information package
on this beauty. Information like cpu, MHz, the floppydrives, bus, video ...

Thanks,  

Willi
messmer@lut.fi

Ps. I just don't believe that nobody has dBaseII-86 version..

------------------------------

Date: 22 Sep 92 18:03:02 GMT
From: pitt.edu!szurek@gatech.edu  (Joseph R Szurek)
Subject: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
Message-ID: <6135@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

Does anyone have an Amstrad interface unit that you are interested in
selling?  I have a friend who needs one.  Reply to
	szurek@vms.cis.pitt.edu

or post here.

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Date: 23 Sep 92 23:10:07 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Scott M McLewin)
Subject: Y Wing II
Message-ID: <9209232312.AA04376@ultrix>

I used to play a text based game call Y Wing II, or Y2 which ran under
CPM 86 on my Zenith Z-100.  I cannot find the program anywhere in my
archives, and I have this mad urge to play it again.  My Z100 looks so
unhappy holding paper on the desk like that......

If anybody has this game or knows where I can find it, I would like
to get a copy of it. 

Many thanks

Scott
smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu

------------------------------

Date: 22 Sep 92 22:56:26 GMT
From: theory.TC.Cornell.EDU!gould@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (EWD)
Subject: Z280 Development Systems
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.225626.18865@tc.cornell.edu>

Looking for MS-DOS (possibly 486 SVR4) based Z280 Development system with
C and assembler for ROMable code.  Have looked at SoftTools' system, 
which looks pretty clean and polished, but it doesn't seem to be quite 
up to the standards of more modern compilers I had grown used to before 
finding myself back in the micro world.  Any other suggestions?

Thanks,


Eliot W. Dudley
RD 1, Box 66
Cato, New York   13033
315 626 2878
edudley@mailbox.syr.edu

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:15:14 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #102
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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 28 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  102

Today's Topics:
                 Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ?????
      Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 (2 msgs)
                Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
                  Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
      Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128
                        victor 9000 computers
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 27 Sep 92 23:41:15 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net  (Martin Halford)
Subject: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ?????
Message-ID: <ins279k.717637275@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi!!!

I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is just
a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson Big
Board??? 

My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my Xerox
820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that the two
machines are identical.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks.....
......martin


-- 
 Martin Halford
 email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au	phone: +61 3 836 4531
	"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh"
--------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: 24 Sep 92 20:00:41 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Richard F. Drushel)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <19t6paINNrbe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

In a previous article, sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) says:

>   However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of
>Australia called MYZ80.  It creates a totally complete CP/M environment,
>including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. 
>It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System
>running under it.  Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on
>SIMTEL20.  My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System
>Z80/Z180 computer

	Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:<MSDOS.
EMULATORS>.  Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price
than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)?
-- 
Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet
Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
"Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell
miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem

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Date: 26 Sep 92 00:50:06 GMT
From: usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@uunet.uu.net  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <82FqRB1w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz>

rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:

>  [MYZ80]
> 	Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:<MSDOS.
> EMULATORS>.  Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price
> than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)?

Yes.  Much less.  From memory the price is AUS$30 (works out to about
US$25 I think).

I've had a brief play with MYZ80 and was very impressed.  The pop-up
"debug" window is very useful (ctrl-break brings up a window which
allows single stepping, etc).

I brought it up, in the default configuration, out of the box.  By
default it runs ZPM3 (a CP/M Plus clone) and works very well.  Utilities
are provided for importing/exporting from the CP/M drive, and there is
an API around for talking to the host machines hardware (eg, for serial
comms, printer, etc).

I would strongly recommend obtaining a copy and having a look at it if
you are at all interested in Z80 and/or CP/M emulation. Oh, BTW, it's a
true emulator - with a real BIOS, BDOS, and CCP - none of this "emulated
BDOS" mess.

Simeon Cran, the author, has done a very good job with both MyZ80 and
ZP/M 3.  I use ZP/M 3 on my main CP/M machine, and it works nicely and
is a bit faster than the generic CP/M Plus.  MyZ80 is also very fast.  I
got the impression that on my 286/10 it was an effective 2.5 Mhz Z80 -
very very good.

> -- 
> Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNe

--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)

------------------------------

Date: 24 Sep 92 17:48:44 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
Message-ID: <1992Sep24.104844.3110@crash>

You might try:
 
              Amstrad & CP/M stuff
 
              Elliam Associates
              PO Box 2664
              Atascadero, CA 93423
              805-446-8440    Bill Roch
 

------------------------------

Date: 28 Sep 92 08:47:10 GMT
From: news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Jeff Foy)
Subject: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <jfoy.717670030@glia>

Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. I'm assuming, at 
least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard 
drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine 
what kind it is yet)

The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards.

According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a 
network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2.

Ok, the problems:

 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" 
    floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine.

 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine 
    are labeled WINCH (DATA)  and  WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is 
    where the cable is supposed to snake through.

 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll 
    probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections 
    (15-pins).

The questions:

 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost?

 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost?

 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type 
    for this setup?


The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M 
ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three 
weeks ago.

Comments, pointers, tips, etc. are definitely encouraged.

Thanks for your attention. :)
-- 
Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or-
                       foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu
             *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN ***
-*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*-  :)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:08:40
From: Giorgos Kavallieratos <GIORGOS%GREARN.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128
Message-ID: <9209251054.aa08910@WHARF.BRL.MIL>

Hello,

I have an Amstrad CPC 6128 computer, running CP/M plus. I want to access
my computer account in the university so since I already have this computer
I was wondering if I could use it as a remote terminal.

So:

1) I know there is a 'general expansion slot' where I could connect an
   RS 232 port. So i can connect it to a modem. But, someone told me that
   regular modems arent 'proper' for Amstrad. I know it sounds silly, because
   the RS232 port is a standard and modems just 'talk' to it, but before
   I give all those money for a modem, I wanna be 100% sure that it will work.
   So, will I have any H/W problems or I will just need regular modem?

2) S/W question:  What communications program will I need in order to
   establish the connection? I am wondering if there is something similar
   to the PROCOMM thing. Does anyone know any program that could turn
   my CPC6128 to a network terminal?   Can I find anything in some anonymous
   FTP site?    if not, is there anything in the market? does it provide
   vt100 emulation?

Please, if anyone wishes to answer I would appreciate if it will be
sent to me by private e-mail because I am not reading the mails of this
discussion group.

Thanks in advance

                                                Giorgos Kavallieratos
                                               Univ. of Crete - Greece

------------------------------

Date: 27 Sep 92 05:37:52 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!gws46142@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Big-guy Lurch )
Subject: victor 9000 computers
Message-ID: <Bv82B5.ICH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Hello everyone,
    I have two Victor 9000 computers from the early '80s, and was wondering
if anyone knew anything about them.  They run cpm/86 or ms-dos 2.1.
It appears that they are running an intel 8088 processor like the IBM pc,
but they don't seem to be fully IBM compatible.  I do know that the cpm
system works right.  But anyway, the question is, does anyone know anything
about these machines, have any software they will run, or any peripherals
with which they are compatible?  Also any idea on approximate value if I
were to try to sell these things?

Thanks
Greg Steele
gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

-- 
Remember, no matter how much shit someone gives you, you can always just kill
the bastard.  Remind people of this when they start giving you shit, most of
the time they get the hint.
gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    Big-Guy on irc

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:45:15 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #103
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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 29 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  103

Today's Topics:
                    Apologies re: InterMeta course
                 Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
                      Re: victor 9000 computers
                      Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                           Serial printers
                        WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                  z80 assembler suggestions desired
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45 BSC (-0300 C)
From: gomide@fpsp.fapesp.br
Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

With regards,
--
Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357
Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
<gomide@fapq.fapesp.br> | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil
(ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. |

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Date: 29 Sep 92 04:35:30 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jeffry_A_Mickey@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <66808@cup.portal.com>

>
>      I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN.  Will
>      pay costs of media, mailer, and postage.
>
>      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
>      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
>

 		Disks for the Vixen are no problem, and no charge.
Where do I send them?
				jeff Mickey

	jmic@cup.portal.com

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Date: 29 Sep 92 05:29:26 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <1992Sep28.222927.7088@crash>

I think that the 'Winch' slots you mention are probably for an external 
drive.  There should be an internal one.  Also, on the back panel should
be a 25 pin connector marked Terminal.  On the machine that I have seen, 
this was for the 'master' terminal - the others were for 'slave' or 
'satellite' terminals.

I have a couple of disks with the MmmOST files on them, but neither are 
bootable.  I'd be very interested in a copy of a CP/M 2.2 system disk if
you get one, and also a bootable TurboDOS floppy if someone runs across
one.

 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

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Date: 28 Sep 92 08:12:08 GMT
From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bert Laverman)
Subject: Re: victor 9000 computers
Message-ID: <1992Sep28.081208.2186@cs.rug.nl>

The victor 9000 is an MS-DOS compatible, definately NOT IBM-PC
compatible. I knew someone who had one running. It can redefine
ALL it's character fonts, and this option is used in the
special basic to 'do' graphics (i.e. the value in the screen
memory indexes a (i believe 16x16 or 8x16 dot) bitmap array.)

I think it'll run a fair share of MS-DOS programs, but IBM-BIOS
compatibility is a problem...

Greetings, Bert
-- 
#include <std/disclaimer>

  Bert Laverman,  Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University
  Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl      The rest to: /dev/null

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Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:43 GMT
From: ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@decwrl.dec.com  (Jeff Foy)
Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <jfoy.717708463@glia>

In <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Grey) writes:

>I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
>printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
>getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
>or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:

Ed, is WordStar talking directly to the printer or is it going through
the BIOS (or BDOS)? I remember having this same problem when I was
using 4.0 on CP/M. Removing all the other drivers (ASCII, DRAFT, blah,
blah) helped me.
 
-- 
Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or-
                       foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu
             *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN ***
-*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*-  :)

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Date: 28 Sep 92 11:16:33 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: Serial printers
Message-ID: <1a6pihINN1k5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Anyone out there need a serial printer for their CP/M computer.
I have a few 'new' Seikosha SP-1000's and I'm willing to sell them
at VERY reasonable prices.  If interested, contact via E-mail.
Take care.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

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Date: 28 Sep 92 11:08:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:
 
1.  How much memory is needed?  I've tried with as much as 59K.
2.  Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for
    a full featured printer?  
3. Is there a way around this problem?
   
Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0
will be greatly appreciated.  I've been happy with WS3.3 and only
now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional
features of my printer.  Take care.
   
    
NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system.  The symtoms
don't change.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:29:07 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired
Message-ID: <9209291629.AA11124@tmpcu.mdc.com>

Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can produce
Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #104
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 30 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  104

Today's Topics:
                         Comm program wanted
                  RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820
                Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
                      Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                   Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere
                  z80 assembler suggestions desired
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Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:52 GMT
From: MOZART.AERO.UFL.EDU!mauricio@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Comm program wanted
Message-ID: <9209301227.AA07482@mozart.aero.ufl.edu>

	Which shareware program would you recommend to use in a
Z80-based CP/M machine (actually, an Apple ][ with a PCPI card)?

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:27:41 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820
Message-ID: <9209301027.AA21428@LL.MIT.EDU>

Martin Halford wrote:

>> I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is
>> just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson
>> Big Board???

   It is basically true.  Jim Ferguson developed a very nice single-board
Z80 computer kit at a very attractive price.  That was my first computer,
and it was very nicely done.

   Two other computers used the basic Ferguson design: Xerox and Kaypro.  As
I understand it, Xerox did the right thing legally and ethically; they paid
Ferguson to design a similar board to serve as the basis for their personal
computer.  But they did the wrong thing technically.  They insisted on some
changes from the BigBoard design; all, as far as I could tell (I also had a
Xerox 820 for a while), made the computer worse!

   Kaypro, on the other hand, apparently stole the BigBoard concept. 
However, they did the right thing technically, introducing some nice
improvements (such as support for 5" drives).  This was the very first
Kaypro computer.  In Kaypro's defense, I have been told that they did later
reach an agreement with Ferguson and did pay him.  Unfortunately, Kaypro
went downhill from there and developed a knack for coming out with new
designs that were worse than their predecessors.  I have a Kaypro 286/16 AT
clone.  It is the only clone on which I have had trouble with standard
software.  Kaypro's recent bankruptcy was well-earned.  The old CP/M
machines were probably the best CP/M computers ever made in terms of
reliability, and many are still in regular use.

>> My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my
>> Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that
>> the two machines are identical.

   The machines are very nearly identical.  This goes back quite a few
years, but my recollection is that I could almost always move software
between the BigBoard and the 820 without having to make any changes.  Of
course, you should understand that most software can moved between any CP/M
computers.  The only changes that are required are configuration for
different terminal codes and different port addresses for I/O.

   The Ferguson boards (including, I believe, the 820 and early Kaypros)
used memory-mapped video with BIOS support for terminal emulation.  Some
BigBoard software actually wrote directly to video RAM for better
performance.  As I recall, such software on my BigBoard would run on the
820.

   In short, I think that the BigBoard software will work, but you should
ask for the right to return it if it cannot be made to work.

-- Jay Sage


------------------------------

Date: 29 Sep 92 08:13:13 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net  (Bert Laverman)
Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <1992Sep29.081313.21253@cs.rug.nl>

Jeff Foy writes:
> Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20.
Hey, here we go again. The Televideo's seem to be in their retirement phase ;-)

> I'm assuming, at 
> least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard 
> drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine 
> what kind it is yet)
Correct. The TS806-10 had a 10Mb drive. Actually, you'll have only 17MB
to use. :-(

> The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards.
Thos should be TS800-A's, which are full Z80 systems, but without disks.

> According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a 
> network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2.
Mmmost is a program that runs on the 806, and takes care of the 800's disk I/O.
It also provides a rough form of protection, and some printer spooling.

> Ok, the problems:
>  1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" 
>     floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine.
It should boot from the HD. Press the reset button again immediately after
booting if it tries to boot from floppy.

>  2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine 
>     are labeled WINCH (DATA)  and  WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is 
>     where the cable is supposed to snake through.
??? The HD should be inside the 806 case.

>  3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll 
>     probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections 
>     (15-pins).
As far as I know that is the case.

> The questions:
> 
>  1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost?
If noone in your neighbourhood can help you, I'll send a copy.

>  2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost?
I'm not sure. I had a 806/20, but it was scrapped when the HD gave out.
Maybe the cables are still somewhere...

>  3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type 
>     for this setup?
I can check the hardware manual if you like.

> The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M 
> ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three 
> weeks ago.
As I said, Help in the states would be fastest, but I'm available as
backup :-)

Greetings, Bert
-- 
#include <std/disclaimer>

  Bert Laverman,  Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University
  Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl      The rest to: /dev/null

------------------------------

Date: 29 Sep 92 16:00:45 GMT
From: daffodil!wyvern!waggen!alpha@g.ms.uky.edu  (Joe Wright)
Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <1992Sep29.160045.29282@waggen.twuug.com>

Ed Grey (ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
: printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
: getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
: or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:
:  
: 1.  How much memory is needed?  I've tried with as much as 59K.
: 2.  Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for
:     a full featured printer?  
: 3. Is there a way around this problem?
:    
: Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0
: will be greatly appreciated.  I've been happy with WS3.3 and only
: now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional
: features of my printer.  Take care.
:    
:     
: NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system.  The symtoms
: don't change.
:    
Use wschange to create a smaller WSPRINT.OVR containing only the
drivers you need.

-- 
Joe Wright  alpha@waggen.twuug.com  alpha@wyvern.twuug.com

------------------------------

Date: 30 Sep 92 10:15:31 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!wn1.sci.kun.nl!sci.kun.nl!adridg@uunet.uu.net  (Adriaan de Groot)
Subject: Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere
Message-ID: <BvDz5w.Ixp@sci.kun.nl>

Sketch of the situation: there's about 30 cp/m machines
'round here -- ICL Quadra, with one 5 1/4" floppy
(no idea 'bout density) and a 10M hard disk. The stuff
on the hard disk needs to be transferred to a UNIX system.

			----

But how? There's a COM port on these machines, so if
some kind soul can provide KERMIT or so, we could download
the contents to the UNIX system directly. An alternative
is to find a way of reading floppies from these ICLs on
an MS DOS machine (if I can find one with a 5 1/4" drive)
and I can deal with further transfers myself.

Would 22DISK work? I've seen this mentioned several times
here, I'm sure I can dredge up an XT to read the floppies
with. However, I need to get said 22DISK, and that's
easier said than done (really?)

Can someone point me to, say, a European cp/m users group,
an ftp site for a program to read cp/m floppies. How
'bout vaguely useful hints? Could use them, too.

If you need more tech information about these ICL machines,
mail me and I'll look it up. EMail to adridg@sci.kun.nl.
--
+-------------------------------+-----------------------+
+ This...is a public service,   + adridg@sci.kun.nl     +
+   announcement...with guitars!+                       +

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:52:44 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired
Message-ID: <9209301152.AA22974@LL.MIT.EDU>

Curt Schroeder wrote:

>> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can
>> produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code?

   I can't speak for freeware/shareware, but Al Hawley's ZMAC package, at
$50, is priced close to a shareware level and is an awfully good deal. 
Except for speed, where the SLR tools reign supreme, ZMAC is probably the
highest quality assembler/linker/librarian package available for CP/M.  It
has a number of features available only in the $195 professional SLR tools
(e.g., automatic grouping by the linker of data-segment items at the end of
all code-segment items) and some features found nowhere else (e.g.,
automatic RSX and type-4 Z-System program generation).  And Al Hawley
continues to make improvements.  All other CP/M assemblers are, as far as I
know, unsupported.

-- Jay Sage


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Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 20:45:06 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #90
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <920901204508.V92N90@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>

INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  1 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   90

Today's Topics:
       format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
                      Looking for Modem Software
                          Modems and Kaypros
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (5 msgs)
                     Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:41:07 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
Message-ID: <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com>

I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned
here earlier this summer.  The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but
the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the
distribution disk.  All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format.  Well,
one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it.  Anyone out there know
what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk,
etc,) to read this disk?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
----------------------------------------------------------------|
These opinions are mine, mine, mine!  I  | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com  |
am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: 1 Sep 92 15:12:22 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!porpoise!network.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: Looking for Modem Software
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.151222.23482@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--
I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 system the has 2 3.5" drives in it. I
am looking for some 
software to drive a modem that also can boot itself or I need a boot
disk also.

The machine currently only has some word processing software for it, but
I would like to
use it as a terminal. So, if anyone has or knows where I can get it (ftp
or otherwise), please
let me know. I also am looking for a cheap 2400 baud modem that will
work with this setup.

Thanks
============================================================================= 
                                                 
Craig Carpenter                                   HARRIS CORPORATION
E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com 	  IIIIIIIII    SSSSSSSS   DDDDDDD
Phone : (407)984-6444                         I        S          D      D
Fax   : (407)984-6327                         I        SSSSSSSS   D      D
                                              I               S   D      D
"Me, Myself, and I have                   IIIIIIIII    SSSSSSSS   DDDDDDD
these opinions, not the company"
============================================================================

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Date: 1 Sep 92 18:01:07 GMT
From: synchrods.UUCP!daniel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Daniel Senderowicz)
Subject: Modems and Kaypros
Message-ID: <9209011801.AA11820@synchrods.synchrods.com>

I use both QTERM and kermit 4.11 on my kaypro II as terminal
programs. QTERM has a command to hang up the modem (^\,) which
doesn't seem to work. Has anybody been succesful in hanging up
the modem on a kaypro II? I was told that the problem is due to
an unusual wiring scheme in the machine. Thanks,

Dan (daniel@synchrods.com)

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Date: 31 Aug 92 17:27:29 GMT
From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lawrence LeMay)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>hi,
>
>
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>????????????????????????
>-- 
>.....................................................................
>:    Etop Udoh                             Eudoh@sct.edu            :
>:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
>:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
>:                                                                   :
>:      Abandon all hope ye who have entered  " CYBERSPACE "         :
>:...................................................................:

I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!!

I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when
i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then
gave me MD2D instead....Sigh.

-Lawrence LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu

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Date: 1 Sep 92 00:26:44 GMT
From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <BtvIKL.41w@world.std.com>

In article <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:
>
>I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!!
>
>I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when
>i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then
>gave me MD2D instead....Sigh.
>
Did you try them?  I think 360K disks should work in a 720K drive.
Your mileage may vary.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com

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Date: 1 Sep 92 03:23:02 GMT
From: panix!jeffj@nyu.edu  (Jeff Jonas)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.032302.10236@panix.com>

I've used 360k floppies on my 720k drives and they work fine.
Unless you're using real old floppies that are barely qualified for
double sided, modern floppies are quite capable of the higher track
density.
I once calculated the bit densities for track-to-track and
bits along a track.  Even at double density, the density along
a track is significantly higher than track to track.
I've done quite well with the bulk floppies.
You should not be spending more than a quarter a piece.
(heck - I've bought 8" double sided floppies for a dime each,
and I've recently been getting them for free).

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@synsys.uucp

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Date: 31 Aug 92 21:14:08 GMT
From: sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!hobbes!gerardka@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Gerard Kam)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <la52t0INNgtc@west.west.sun.com>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>hi,
>
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>????????????????????????
>-- 

	Try:
		Lyben Computer Systems  1-313-649-4500
		Global Computer Supplies  1-800-845-6225

	Both carry 3M 747-0RH, which is a 5.25" quad density diskette
	for about $20-$24 per box of 10.

	I have used 3M DSDD diskettes in 96tpi Shugart and Panasonic
	drives with no ploblem; they are a lot cheaper than the QD
	diskettes!

	Regards -- Gerard

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Date: 1 Sep 92 07:37:04 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifi!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Weber)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.073704.13451@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>

In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes:
>  Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...

Under DOS I could format standard 360K 5-1/4" disks to 720K with a programm
called FDFORMAT. 
-- 

Juergen G. Weber
Student am Institut fuer Informatik
Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany

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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:26 DST
From: ANDREA@AGRCLU.ST.IT
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80


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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #91
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed,  2 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   91

Today's Topics:
                COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR)
                        ncr decisionmate help
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (2 msgs)
                      Re: CPM For Sale (2 msgs)
                  The easiest way to convert formats
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Date: 2 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!robertj@uunet.uu.net  (Robert Jaquiss)
Subject: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR)
Message-ID: <1207@tekgen.bv.tek.com>

     I have a Compupro 8-16 for sale.  I bought it for a project but no longer
need the equipment.  If interested please call or write.

	Robert Jaquiss

Phone: (503) 627-4444 (Work)
       (503) 626-7174 (Home)

Internet: robertj@tekgen.bv.tek.com

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Date: 2 Sep 92 00:47:55 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.com]@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (blair groves)
Subject: ncr decisionmate help
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.1042.2819@dosgate>

Hello out there in networld! I have just aquired an NCR DecisionMate V
computer, and need some help with it:

Although I have boot disks and CP/M manuals for it, I have no users
manual for the actual machine itself. I will send what it costs to copy
your manual if you have such a machine...

Second dilemma: the machine came with no I/O ports, I believe these are
plug-in modules for RS-232 and Centronics Parallel. Does anyone have any
spares of these, or know where I can obtain them? Alternatley, if you
can send me a schematic for them, I can produce my own. (Pre-fab'd parts
preffered though.)

There is also a curious DB-9 male connector on the right-hand side of
the keyboard... can anyone tell me what it is used for?

Much Thanks in advance for anyone who can help!

BTW, I am also looking for a good communications package for the NCR
too!

blair.groves@canrem.com
---
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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Date: 1 Sep 92 00:36:54 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Aug31.173655.22450@crash>

gI have had no trouble at all using generic 360k diskettes at 720k.  The track 
density doubles, but the recording density remains the same.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:36:48 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <" 2-Sep-92  8:36:48 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...

Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:35 GMT
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Subject: Re: CPM For Sale
Message-ID: <1992Sep1.172135.27475@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--Mail to you bounced so,..............

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Subject: Re: CPM For Sale


-- 
 --Cardinal 2400 Baud External Modem                     $   35
 --Plain Hayes compatible (No FAX, MNP),  includes
 --Procomm and Telix to get you started.  Good solid
 --case like external Hayes Smartmodem.

Does this include CP/M software (bootable??) or can I get a boot disk
from you as well.
Need 3.5", I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 and only have word
processing disks for it,
not a standalone boot disk.

If this will work, I will buy this from you (with cable ??)
thanks

============================================================================= 
                                                 
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Date: 2 Sep 92 02:54:38 GMT
From: infoserv!uonline!rjus@uunet.uu.net  (ren_just)
Subject: Re: CPM For Sale
Message-ID: <92.5505@uonline.com>

mamason@portroyal.world (Mason) writes:
: 
: I might be interested in the Morrow, depending on cpu/terminal model.
: My email to you bounces.
: 

Sorry folks, both the Morrow and the Altos have been sold.  After 
numerous offers, I wish I had more of these units.  Surprising how
many people are using these things still (or are you folks collecting
them for use in a musesum? <grin>)

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:53:57 SET
From: Jacques Goldberg <GOLWS%CERNVM.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <9209020357.aa29394@WHARF.BRL.MIL>

Hello.

May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.

I also have the Media Master package on CP/M, which costed me some
money, but I never use it, as it is so more convenient to transit on
a PC with 22DSK.

Regards - Jacques

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:51:44 CDT
From: "Andy Stewart, Reference Librarian" <C3038B@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU>
Message-ID: <920901.225144.CDT.C3038B@UMRVMB>

May I add to the veritable flurry of CP/M systems being offered for
sale??  I have had no mechanical/electronic problems (or, for that
matter, modifications) with the Osborne 1 (SS/SD) I bought about ten
years ago.  Used it for relatively lightweight word processing, and,
more recently--very lightly as a terminal to the local "BIG" computer.

I don't have any idea as to the market value (but wondered if the
Boston Computer Exchange even "lists" Osbornes any more?....), so will
be glad to hear from Osborne enthusiasts who may need a working machine
for spare parts, as a backup machine, or whatever with offers to
purchase!!  [Please, I'd feel badly accepting anything over $10,000 :-) ]

More details:
      Grey case Osborne 1, 64K, two floppy drives
      All original copies of software which was included:
            Wordstar (v.2.26?)
            dBase II (never used!!) complete with _two_ manuals
                and a keyboard template
            SuperCalc
      Blue-cover paperback user's manual Osborne
      Townsend, Carl, _Using dBase II_, Osborne-McGraw-Hill, 1984
      Miller, Alan R, Mastering CP/M, Sybex, 1983
      IMP (communications) software "ready to go" with cable included
      2 dozen or so floppy diskettes

      whatever else I can find that will fit into the original box and
packing material.  If you're not interested in buying this package, but
have an opinion as to its value, I'd be glad to get a brief message, but
it's too late to convince **ME** as to the relative merits of CP/M over
DOS.  I just don't have the time to dig into the guts to get CP/M to do
what I want it to--more or less on my own.

      Please respond directly--there's no need to clutter up INFO-CPM
with responses (this is too long already!)

      Andy Stewart
      314-341-4007 (work)
      314-341-2789 (home
      Internet:  c3038b@umrvmb.umr.edu
      Bitnet:  c3038b@umrvmb (I think this will work; I've never tried it)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri,  4 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   92

Today's Topics:
                ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs)
     Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
                Re: The easiest way to convert formats
                 Term Program for Apple CP/M (2 msgs)
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Date: 3 Sep 92 19:04:49 GMT
From: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!Walter.E.Stephens@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Walter E. Stephens)
Subject: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.190449.19115@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

I have an old Epson Geneva PX-8 laptop that I use as a notebook for
wordprocessing.  Does anyone know of software set-up that will allow me
to transfer files (ASCII in Portable WordStar) to the Macintosh?  I
know it exists because I used to do it regularly four years ago. 
Unfortunately, the software dreamed up by a developer here no longer
works for me, I suspect because my operating system on the Macintosh is
too new.  I've tried all the old o.s.'s I could get hold of and nothing
works.  Currently I use Macintosh system 6.0.8 on Mac Plus, SE-30, and
LC.  Grateful for *any* help.

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Date: 3 Sep 92 13:24:11 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!killer@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Francis J Park)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.132411.20887@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>

Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
It seems since the media is the same, it should work.

-- 
******************************************************************************
Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94  Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
S-1, Pershing Rifles, Co E, 8th Rgt		              WWIVLink 1@14060
******************************************************************************

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Date: 3 Sep 92 19:25:11 GMT
From: destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@gumby.wisc.edu  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep03.122511.14458@crash>

Francis J Park (killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote:
: Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
: It seems since the media is the same, it should work.
:
 Sorry, the media are distinctly NOT the same!  It is unlikely that the
 720 drive could even successfully format the disk - much less write data 
 to it.  The 1.2 floppy requires a much higher magnetic force to write 
 to it.

 

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Date: 4 Sep 92 05:20:34 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <Zw2LqB4w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz>

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes:

> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
> It seems since the media is the same, it should work.
>
If it were, you could. But it isn't.

1.2MB floppies are High Density.  720K floppies are Quad Density.  360K
floppies are Double Density.  Now it turns out that the media currently
used in 360K floppies copes with 720K format (more tracks, no higher bit
density in the track) better than 1.2M floppies (which expect a higher
bit density in the track).

I've had better results with 360K floppies than I've had with 1.2MB
ones, and they're cheaper too :-)

> Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94  Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.ed

--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)

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Date: 3 Sep 92 22:18:40 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com!aclark@decwrl.dec.com  (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk?
Message-ID: <94lnlwa.aclark@netcom.com>

In article <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes:
>
>I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned
>here earlier this summer.  The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but
>the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the
>distribution disk.  All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format.  Well,
>one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it.  Anyone out there know
>what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk,
>etc,) to read this disk?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help!
>
>Curt
>

The early Kaypro II's could read the Xeror 820 format, as I remember.
You might try it out.
-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.

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Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT
From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.dec.com  (Bill Opalka)
Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>

|>
|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.
|>
|>Regards - Jacques
|>

I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very successful at it.  Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger work







s, than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use a communication program.


/Bill

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Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Francois levesque)
Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M
Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca>

Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple 
II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of 
that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or 
Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome.
                                        Francois Levesque

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Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Francois levesque)
Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M
Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca>

Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple 
II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of 
that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or 
Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome.
                                        Francois Levesque

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  5 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   93

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M make utility
                             CPM Software
                  Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs)
                 Re: Access to Internet through CP/M
                Re: The easiest way to convert formats
             WANTED:  Xerox 820 word processing software
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:23 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watmath!undergrad.math.waterloo.edu!napier.uwaterloo.ca!dmwick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dale Wick)
Subject: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
current.

BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
include a make utility.

			Dale
--
dmwick@descartes.uwaterloo.ca	| Ask me about my Coleco Adam.  It does tricks
CompuServe: 76545,2566		| Come to AdamCon05 in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Sometimes: u190@cs910.cciw.ca	| My favorite clone: MS-DOS from CP/M
	President MTAG -- Metro-Toronto Adam user's Group

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Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:42 GMT
From: littlei!linda!linda@uunet.uu.net  (Linda Harbin)
Subject: CPM Software
Message-ID: <2313@gandalf.intel.com>

We have an old (8 years old) Epson 8086 CPM computer.  We recently got a new
386 DOS machine but kept the Epson in hopes of giving it to our 6-yo
daughter.  We would like to get some educational software and games for it
but cannot find anything in the stores.  Everything is for Apple of DOS!

Can anyone suggest a place where we could get some software for this ancient
computer?  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks. 


***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:54:25 PDT
From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <XX000132f7@pallio.UUCP>

killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) asks:
> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive?
> It seems since the media is the same, it should work.

Not quite. There *IS* a difference in media between IBM 1.2 meg
disks and IBM 360K disks / Quad density 720K disks. If you don't
believe me, try taking a 360K disk, and formatting it to 1.2 megs.
OTOH, as has been noted you can format 360K disks to 720K (or even
800K) in an IBM 1.2 meg drive: I have a couple of utilities to do
this, and use the 800K format for all my archival backups. It
provides by far and away the best cost per megabyte: 25 cents for
800K works out to about 32 cents per megabyte.
     dg
---
 + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Most GUI's I've seen are pretty gooey

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Date: 4 Sep 92 19:42:26 GMT
From: ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!spt@rutgers.edu  (Scott P. Toenniessen)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>
>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>
>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.
>

I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
this for a few months).

                   Scott

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:55 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lawrence LeMay)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu>

In article <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:
>In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k  5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes...
>>
>>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap.  Note,
>>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think).  I have not used
>>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried.
>>
>
>I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
>this for a few months).
>
>                   Scott

Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
do not have these rings...

So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
density disks?

-Lawrence LeMay
 lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 92 20:19:12 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Access to Internet through CP/M
Message-ID: <1992Sep4.201912.7211@news.unomaha.edu>

I use both a 4/84 and a 4+88 to work with the internet.  The obstacle you
will encounter is that your host machine may not have software that works
gracefully with the Kaypro.  Some editors presume function keys; some
host software does the same.  The problem lies not in the Kaypro but in
your host mainframe.

If your systems people cannot help you out with an editor and/or support
for the ADM-3A that the Kaypro emulates, perhaps you can find a keypad
redefinition program (several were available for the Kaypro at one time)
that will allow you to program the function key codes into the numeric
keypad.  I'm not sure if it is possible, but it is certainly worth a try
if your host system won't support the Kaypro.  Good luck.

------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 92 10:03:33 GMT
From: access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@decwrl.dec.com  (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.100333.763@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

In article <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> opalka@atom.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka) writes:
>|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
>|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
>|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
>|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
>|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
>|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
>|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
>|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.

>I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use 
>a communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be 
>easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. 

I've written Yet Another CP/M disk conversion for the PC which I think is
pretty keen.  It installs as a device driver instead of being run as a
standalone program so you can manipulate files right off your CP/M floppy
instead of copying them to an MS-DOS disk first.  The drive letter it gives
you can be accessed like any MS-DOS drive, but reading your CP/M disk.  
This would be especially handy when you're running a CP/M emulator like Z80MU
or looking at dBase files.  It is limited to reading only.

I'm finishing up the documentation now, so I'll have a beta test version
ready Real Soon Now.  If you're interested in beta testing this program
(called CP/M Reader), let me know and I'll send you a copy when it's ready.
It currently has about 40 or 50 different disk formats built-in, so it 
should work on just about any 512 byte per sector MFM format disk.  I only
have my own computer to test it on, so I can only say that Superbrain disks
work like a charm (except for my disk alignment problem, grrr).

I'll post a notice here when it's out of beta test.

>>> Dan
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Date: 5 Sep 92 01:44:00 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!cats.ucsc.edu!scotty@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Scotty Brookie, UCSC Social Sciences Computing)
Subject: WANTED:  Xerox 820 word processing software
Message-ID: <1893d0INN1sm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

Hello, I'm looking for word processing software, preferably
Wordstar, that will run on a Xerox 820 with 5.25" disks.
Any leads would be greatly appreciated.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Scotty Brookie			       scotty@cats.ucsc.edu
Social Sciences Computing, UCSC	       scotty@cats.bitnet
Santa Cruz CA 95064
408 459 4625
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  5 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   94

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                     Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92
              Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor
                      Re: Z80 language compilers
                          z80 language comp
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 5 Sep 92 23:51:58 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.235158.15422@bilver.uucp>

In article <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:

>Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
>having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
>do not have these rings...

>So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
>for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
>density disks?

Hub rings have nothing to do with the density, capacity, etc.

The reason hub rings are not needed on the high-density drives, is that
the drive spins on inserting the disk.  The hub motion is
self-centering because of the rotation.

The older designed drives, the full-height ones, used varying tapers on
the clamping cones.   These drives did NOT rotate upon insertion, and
the hub rings were the added re-inforcment to keep the center holes of
the disks from crimping.

You could really crunch the older disks too, as the drive was done via
a belt and you could really get some torque going in comparison to the
direct drive units.

I had disks (in the 1979/80) era that would spin in the full height
drives, but would not in the half-height direct drive units.


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:06:54 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.bitnet@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:15:13 MDT <INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> said:
>
>Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT
>From:
>
>deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.
> dec.com  (Bill Opalka)
>Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats
>Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
>
>|>
>|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite
>|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway
>|>idle anywhere.  There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its
>|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about
>|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange
>|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard
>|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola
>|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples.
>|>
>|>Regards - Jacques
>|>
>
>I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a
> communication program to do the transfer.  More than likely it will be easiler
> than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM
> boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs
> are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very
> successful at it.  Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine
> to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger works,
> than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use
> a communication program.
>/Bill
     Sure, Bill, except that you made an implicit assumption which in my
case does not work: my Z80 CP/M Lobo is my HOME workhorse, while there is
a PC on my OFFICE desk. To follow your recommendation I would need to leave
the PC powered up at all times, to inflige a modem to any person calling me
when I am out of office, to deny phone calls to my family, and to work much
slower than you say with the old 1200 bauds modems which I own. Instead, when
I need a copy here and there, 22DSK on the PC does it instantly!
By the way in the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 (not MSDOS, CP/M), there IS a
program that works very well on my Lobo to read/write in PC-compatible
format, I just forgot its name.
  / Jacques

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 1:33:30 EDT
From: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor
Message-ID: <9209060133.18926.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>

In a three-part uuencoded posting to comp.os.cpm totaling about 180,000 bytes,
grebyn!daily!bob@uunet.uu.net (Robert A. Baumann) wrote:

> # This is a fully-functional version of Joan Riff's "Z80MU PROFESSIONAL" Z80
> # and CP/M 2.2 Emulator, which allows you to run [most] CP/M 2.2 and Z80 or
> # 8080 software on the IBM PC. This is the complete product, an exact image
> # of the same emulator (version 5.2B) that we use here at CCS to produce Z80
> # controller software on the PC.
> # 
> # This IS NOT a posting of a new product. It is a reposting of Z80MU
> # PROFESSIONAL version 5.2B, necessitated by the flurry of inquiries that we
> # are getting from Internet sites, especially in Europe and South America.

I'd like to remind you of the long-standing policy against posting binaries
to comp.os.cpm or its Internet counterpart the Info-CPM mailing list.
The file you posted has been available from the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil
archives for several years.  It was obtained direct from a representative
of the author.

Directory PD1:<MSDOS.EMULATORS>
 Filename   Type Length   Date    Description
==============================================
Z80MU52B.ARC  B  117207  900108  CP/M (Z80 processor) emulator for MS-DOS

An index of all files in the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil MS-DOS collection
is available in two formats:

Directory PD1:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>
 Filename   Type  Description
==============================================
SIMIBM.ARC    B   Comma-delim list of all MSDOS files w/descrip.
SIMLIST.ARC   B   Text format list of all MSDOS files w/descrip.

These files are updated every 7-10 days.  See AAAREAD.ME in that
directory for details. 

SIMTEL20 allows only nine ANONYMOUS FTP logins during weekday
prime time, 5am to 3pm Mountain Time (GMT-7), but 27 otherwise.

SIMTEL20 files are also available from mirror sites OAK.Oakland.Edu
(141.210.10.117), wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4), ftp.uu.net
(137.39.1.9), nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), src.doc.ic.ac.uk
(146.169.3.7), nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) or archie.au (139.130.4.6),
by e-mail through the BITNET/EARN file servers, or by uucp from UUNET's
1-900-GOT-SRCS.  See UUNET file uunet!~/info/archive-help for details.

OAK.Oakland.Edu is the most up-to-date mirror because I maintain it,
in addition to my duties at SIMTEL20.  I run OAK's mirror program
whenever new files are added at SIMTEL20.

If you do not have FTP access to SIMTEL20 or its mirrors, files may be
ordered by e-mail from LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU or LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU.

Domain addresses in other countries:

     Turkey: trickle@ege.edu.tr
    Belgium: trickle@ufsia.ac.be
    Austria: trickle@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at
    Germany: trickle@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de
     Israel: trickle@vm.tau.ac.il
Netherlands: trickle@hearn.nic.surfnet.nl
     France: trickle@frmop11.cnusc.fr
   Columbia: trickle@unalcol.unal.edu.co
     Taiwan: trickle@twnmoe10.edu.tw

If your mailer wants bang paths: uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv
				 uunet!vm.ecs.rpi.edu!listserv

If you use bang paths, substitute your nearest neighbor which is also
on the Internet for uunet in the examples above.  Some examples are:
ames, decvax, decwrl, harvard, hplabs, nosc, rutgers, sharkey, sun,
ucbvax, ucsd, udel, uw-beaver, wuarchive.

Send this command to the server to get its help file:

GET PDGET HELP

Sample command (which gets our catalog of MS-DOS files):

/PDGET MAIL PD:<MSDOS.FILEDOCS>SIMLIST.ARC UUENCODE

These commands should be sent as the body of a regular email message.
Do not include a signature because it confuses the server.  If you
have xxdecode, you may wish to specify XXENCODE instead of UUENCODE to
avoid character translation problems.

Comments, questions, and suggestions should be directed to the LISTSERV
manager at one of these addresses, depending on which server you normally
use:

                          Internet                  BITNET

        "John Fisher" <FISHER@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU>   <FISHER@RPIECS>
         "Marty Hoag" <INFO@VM1.NODAK.EDU>      <INFO@NDSUVM1>
"TRICKLE Maintainers" <RED-BUG@EGE.EDU.TR>      <RED-BUG@TREARN>

Please do NOT send your comment or question about the servers to SIMTEL20.
However, if you wish to report a program bug or to request information
on how to upload files to SIMTEL20, you may send e-mail to me at one
of the addresses below.

   [Note: Do not use ftp-by-mail servers without the permission of your
   system administrator and (if fed via uucp) your uucp feed.  Thank
   you.  Justification: many sites simply don't have the disk space
   set up to do this without warning, and mail disruption may result.]

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or       w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                          BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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Date: 5 Sep 92 23:31:25 GMT
From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@uunet.uu.net  (Dwight A. Haworth)
Subject: Re: Z80 language compilers
Message-ID: <1992Sep5.233125.20594@news.unomaha.edu>

Mix Software, 2116 E. Arapahoe, Suite 365, Richardson, TX, 75081, used to
market a C compiler for CP/M.  I still use my copy for CP/M programming
and use Turbo C for the DOS environment.  Only minor compatibility
problems, and they usually arise when I want do use some of the extensions
that Turbo C makes available.  The Mix C documentation has been worth the
price of the compiler.  When I bought it the Mix C compiler was selling
for under $30, and if it is still sold it should be worth the price.

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Date: 5 Sep 92 16:22:48 GMT
From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![larry.moore%canrem.com]@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (larry moore)
Subject: z80 language comp
Message-ID: <19925.1042.2837@dosgate>

Reply_to Message-ID: <9224115.20260@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Subject: Z80 language compilers

>Hi,
>I'm looking for a/some high level language compilers for the z80 series
>of processors, eg, C, Basic, whatever....

>Preferably public domain or shareware, can anyone tell me where these
>may be found and if they exist?

>thanks in advance!

> Marc Alexander maa@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au ph +61 3 3447689 fax 3446678 
> Electrical and Electronic Eng. Dept. Melbourne University, Australia 

I hope you have received a number of replies by email, nothing has 
passed this way in this newsgroup.  

If Modula-2 is acceptable, there is a compiler package from Workman & 
Associates - since FTL was written in Queensland Oz, you might already 
know of this and have a more convenient source.  The CP/M version was a 
very reasonable price and there is a version for MSDOS and TOS.

For the language 'C', don't know of a really good public domain compiler 
package. BDS C isn't PD but is interesting ...  



| {canrem, dciem}!lfergus!larry | Nanet CP/M conference chair person.  |
| CP/M UUCP/mail(using David Goodenough's uucp21b on a TeleVideo 803H) |
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95
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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  8 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   95

Today's Topics:
                          CP/M MAKE UTILITY
            Moving files between Apple operating systems.
           Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                       TeleVideo mouse software
                       TRS80 Model III for sale
           Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box
                         Western Digital....
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 8 Sep 92 04:16:03 GMT
From: uunet.ca!canrem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net  (Larry Moore)
Subject: CP/M MAKE UTILITY
Message-ID: <XX0000006e@lfergus.UUCP>

In message <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, Dale Wick 
asks:

>z  Newsgroup: comp.os.cpm
>z Message-ID: <Bu2s9n.Mpx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
>z    Subject: CP/M make utility
>
>Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
>not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
>use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
>current.
>
>BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
>include a make utility.
>
>			Dale
There have been about four different versions of 'make' ported to 
CP/M.  The source for one, in Manx Aztec C was written up in a 
back issue of 'Doctor Dobb's Journal'.  Perhaps you might check 
the Periodical Index to find the right volume of DDJ, UofWaterloo 
has/had a fairly complete set of that magazine.  If they've done 
a housecleaning in the last decade, leave a message here with the 
volume number needed.
Good luck.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:29:50 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: Moving files between Apple operating systems.
Message-ID: <9209081329.AA01201@tmpcu.mdc.com>

There is a shareware utility called Chameleon that can move both text and
binary files between DOS 3.3, Prodos 8, CP/M, and Apple Pascal.  Works great!
If you are using a super serial board and find a CP/M executable that talks
to it, I would like to know.  I have MEX and the SSB overlay, but have never
gotten around to trying to get it working.

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
----------------------------------------------------------------|
These opinions are mine, mine, mine!  I  | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com  |
am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:34:55 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>

The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format.  Can anyone out there
tell me what utility and what equivalent format to  use to read this (uniform,
22disk, etc.).  All our attempts thus far have come up dry.  A Xerox 820 can
not read or boot this disk.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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These opinions are mine, mine, mine!  I  | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com  |
am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: 7 Sep 92 02:35:04 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <1992Sep7.023504.14440@csi.uottawa.ca>

Just as a possible irrelevant question:  Can something like this
system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible?
-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program

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Date: 8 Sep 92 09:00:55 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: TeleVideo mouse software
Message-ID: <18hq47INNsr3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Does anyone know of any software for the TeleVideo TS803, TS803H,
or TPC-1 CP/M computers that utilize the TeleVideo SuperMouse
besides TeleDraw?  
   
I pulled out my SuperMouse and TeleDraw the other day and wondered
why there wasn't more software for it.  Just thought I'd ask.  Take
care.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

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Date: 7 Sep 92 20:34:19 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!daver!ditka!infopro!neptons@uunet.uu.net  (Roger Barth)
Subject: TRS80 Model III for sale
Message-ID: <1476250@neptons.UUCP>

I have a trs80 model III computer that works.  One of the drives 
needs some work.  TRSIII DOS and NEWDOS are included.  Give me an
offer plus shipping if you want it.

----
Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA            Coherent 4.0.1
roger%neptons@antares.intel.com                 916-677-9771 (voice)
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----
Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA            Coherent 4.0.1
roger%neptons@antares.intel.com                 916-677-9771 (voice)
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Date: 6 Sep 92 03:14:45 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs!lesley@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lesley Walker)
Subject: Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box
Message-ID: <1992Sep06.031445.29003@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz>

sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>
>In 1982 we were running Xenix on 8086 boxes from
>Altos (with an Altos proprietary memory manager) and their own UNIX
>port on the Onyx Z-8000 machines mentioned earlier.  Both were 512k
>machines, and both worked well.

That first one sounds like a machine I am currently trying to repair.

Does anyone have any technical information about the Altos 586?

My immediate problem is with the floppy drive.  I bought a replacement
floppy drive for the one that died while I was trying to replace the
crashed hard disc... 

The good news is, it is possible to boot up from the new floppy. 

The bad news is, the system will only read from the floppy if the drive is 
already spinning when the read attempt is made.  Eg, the first boot attempt 
fails, but the second works, as long as the second attempt starts while the 
floppy is still spinning from the previous attempt. 

The question: Is there some way I can wire up the floppy drive so that the 
motor is always spinning as long as the power is on?  (I realise this is a 
horrible solution, but it's the easiest I can think of) 

Or is there some sort of Drive Ready signal that I can fake somehow? Would 
any of the jumpers on the drive have anything do with it? 

The drive is 5.25" quad density made by Mitsubishi and it has jumpers on it
labelled MX, HS, HM.  There is a jumper in the HS position.


(I have cross-posted fairly widely, and redirected followups to comp.periphs
and comp.unix.xenix.misc, as this hardly qualifies as a folklore question)

Replies by email would be appreciated, as the system I am posting from
expires articles *very* quickly and I could easily miss something important.


-- 
  -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=-
        lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz                      Vote for MMP!
   DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 3:25:05 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,


  Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and
do they have a tech support line ??????
-- 
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:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
:                                                                   :
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From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #96
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 10 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   96

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                    Re: CP/M make utility (2 msgs)
                 Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 (2 msgs)
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                   Re: Message for Bill Vermillion
                   Re: Western Digital.... (2 msgs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:31:25 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <" 9-Sep-92  9:31:25 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

Just to be nit-picky  :-)  720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density,
though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!!  The drives/disks are
DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density
drive/disk.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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Date: 8 Sep 92 04:53:02 GMT
From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!ahm@rutgers.edu  (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Re: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com>

dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes:
> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
> not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
> current.
> 
> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
> include a make utility.

Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA.
As I recall, it had a "make" utility.

It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines.
I played with it for a while, and it's great!
(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS).

Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc.

Cheers,
Andy
--
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
 ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
 ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.

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Date: 9 Sep 92 04:23:45 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gratclif@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Gregory W Ratcliff)
Subject: Re: CP/M make utility
Message-ID: <1992Sep9.042345.14873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In article <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes:
>dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes:
>> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles?  And if
>> not, I guess I should port one or something.  I would imagine that it could
>> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are
>> current.
>> 
>> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't
>> include a make utility.
>
>Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA.
>As I recall, it had a "make" utility.
>
>It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines.
>I played with it for a while, and it's great!
>(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS).
>
>Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc.
>
>Cheers,
>Andy
>--
> Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
> ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
> ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.

I've got a copy of C/80 with the mathpack
for $30.00, I'll pay shipping in the US.
It works great, but we went to Archimedes tools at work.  I used
it on  a pc with z80mu.  A great combination.  You can single step
the code and debug without an ice.

Gregory W. Ratcliff
-- 
Gregory W. Ratcliff  Ratcliff.8@osu.edu  on the internet   
Columbus, Ohio     ICBM
nz8r@w8cqk 	 on the air
N1697X     	 in the air

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:06:57 SET
From: Jacques Goldberg <GOLWS@CERNVM.cern.ch>
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95

direct e-mail bounces.

Have you tried reading that diskette with 22DSK138's 5 different Xerox
formats? You can't harm your diskette with attempts to read it (protect it
first, one never knows).
In your place this is certainly how I would begin.

Jacques

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Date: 9 Sep 92 17:21:54 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu  (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95
Message-ID: <BuBMwJ.C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is
single density. A standard PC floppy controller probably won't
read a single density track, since that pin on the controller is
not connected to anything. On the 22DISK DOCUMENTATION near the
back, it's explained how to modify a card to read single density.
With this modification, I've been able to read single density Osborne
and Heathkit diskettes.

-- 
Clarence Wilkerson      \ Bitnet:       wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm
Prof. of Math. (topology)\ Internet:    wilker@math.purdue.edu
Dept. of Mathematics      \ messages:   (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548
Purdue University,         \ office:    (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem)
W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \ 

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Date: 9 Sep 92 03:49:47 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!peter@uunet.uu.net  (Peter Klavins)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <peter.716010587@citr.uq.oz.au>

bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes:

># from SEA). There is an accompanying file Z80MUDOC.ARC which contains the
># manual in PostScript format (which may or may not be available at all
># sites which have Z80MU52B.ARC).

Z80MUDOC.ARC doesn't seem to be on any of the archie-listable sites.
Can you post a pointer to it?  Or can you upload it to SIMTEL-20, which
doesn't have it?
--
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 Centre for Information Technology Research       Phone: +61 7 365 4321
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Date: 10 Sep 92 04:00:06 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Message for Bill Vermillion
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.040006.1688@bilver.uucp>

In article <9209070703.AA25333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes:
>Bill,
>I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was
>to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of
>the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of
>a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in
>working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif.
>outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this
>list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking
>sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place).
>My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not
>say take...) any offer!
>                       Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il
>                                    ^^
>                                    \\--two ZEROES please

Sorry to use the net to reply, but my mail to you bounced.  I was
forwarded the message.

Locally Jim Smith has a pair of Lobo's and does have a hard drive on at
least one of them.  He should be able to help you out.

Address him as   js@tous.oau.org

Try mailing me at bill.vermillion@oau.org.  If that get's through we
will have to look at the local aliasing, and then I'll send you more
info.



-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

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Date: 8 Sep 92 15:11:13 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (CP/M lives!)
Subject: Re: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <1992Sep8.091113.58707@cc.usu.edu>

In article <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>, eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes:
>   Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and
> do they have a tech support line ??????

I don't have a phone number, but it's been my experience that if it does
not involve a PC they won't even know that it ever existed.

Roger Ivie
ivie@cc.usu.edu

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Date: 8 Sep 92 17:39:33 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Western Digital....
Message-ID: <1992Sep08.103933.20789@crash>

 
Western Digital
    Technical support: (800) 832-4778, 7am--5pm Pacific time, Mon-Fri.
 
    BBS (714) 756-1234 [2400-8N1]
        (714) 753-1068 [9600-8N1]
        Contains copies of most of their documentation.
 

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 12 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   97

Today's Topics:
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
     Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. (2 msgs)
                          simtel *.?z? files
                           Source for xccp
            Wanted:  Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module
                         Wanted CPM Emulator
                         Xerox Floppy formats
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 12 Sep 92 02:52:06 GMT
From: rde!ksmith!keith@uunet.uu.net  (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <1992Sep12.025206.2237@ksmith.uucp>

In article <".9-Sep-92..9:31:25.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes:
>
>Just to be nit-picky  :-)  720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density,
>though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!!  The drives/disks are
>DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density
>drive/disk.
>
>				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

Hmm,  So let's get this straight.  They are double track and double
density.  2 * 2 = 4.  4 times the density is NOT QUAD density.  Got it.

To pick a nit ....

The org CP/M disks I had were 10 hole hard sectors with 100K per side on
a single sided disk, basically DS/QD is 7+ times that.  The issue at
hand is DENSITY however.  Density meaning how tight the bits are packed. 
Tightly packing the sectors and increasing their size to 512 bytes
enabled us to get 180K on the side of a disk rather than the old 100K
functionality.  This basically put the "bits" almost twice as close
together on a given track, hence "double" density.  Doubling the number
of tracks brings the bits another factor of 2 closer together hence the
term "QUAD DENSITY" diskettes.  QD diskettes were marketed extensively
pre-ibm and clone takeover for hardware such as EPSON, OLIVETTI, SEIKO
(Yea The watch guys sold computers!) and my Heathkit.  The AT&T 3B2 used
these puppies too.  Now the quality of standard IBM "Double Density"
360K media is so good it will work fine as 720K "Quad Density" too. 

The Current Crop of AT/HD stuff is even higher than quad, packing 15 512
byte sectors on a track instead of 9 a factor of 1.7 improvement in
density.  The 3.5" disks on the other hand STARTED at 720K which was
called "double density" so the 1440K 18 SPT 3.5's are now often called
"quad density" which is where the confusion may be from. 

The REAL density improvement on 5.25" has not "really" doubled though.

Single Density = 100K per side
Double Density = 180K per side really 1.8 density not 2
Quad Density   = 360K per side really 3.6 density but advertising you know. 
High Density   = 600K per side They didn't push to "HEPT" density on
		 this one :)

Again this is BIT density, nothing to do with actual storage mind you. 
Also the 3.5's really started out on the HD emulsions.  Now the NEW
stuff comming out is pushing 10MB on Standard floppy style media.  They
stopped "densitizing" the names (finally, thank god) and just say
"2.4MB" or "5MB" 5-1/4" media.
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...

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Date: 10 Sep 92 04:49:52 GMT
From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@uunet.uu.net  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <1992Sep09.214953.15599@crash>

With a copy of AnaDisk you should be able to determine whether it is readable
on a PC, and the characteristics of the format - sector size, interleave, 
sector numbering, etc.

With that information, you should be able to 'build' a custom format identity
for 22Disk, and thus read the disk.

An alternative is to send the disk to Sydex, along with the 22Disk registration
fee, and they will 'build' the format identity for you.

------------------------------

Date: 10 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!umassd.edu!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!welchb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format.
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.094540.1@woods.ulowell.edu>

In article <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>, curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes:
> 
> The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format.  Can anyone out there
> tell me what utility and what equivalent format to  use to read this (uniform,
> 22disk, etc.).  All our attempts thus far have come up dry.  A Xerox 820 can
> not read or boot this disk.

I do not have the direct answer.  However, I have something which may be of
help to you, or be useful for general info:
In the appendix for Kenneth Heyda's "MULTI-SYSTEM 180 with ZCPR2.3"
there is a list of system format parameters for about 20 manufacturers.
I will copy it to here if desired.

E.g., XEROX 820 SD has 18 sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, and is 
(of course?) S (=single density).
XEROX 820-II DD    has 17,               256,  and (of course?) D.
There is no other Xerox listing.

-- 
Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG,  welchb@woods.ulowell.edu

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Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!think.com!paperboy.osf.org!hsdndev!cfa203!cfaitamp2.harvard.edu!babb@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (James ..-. Babb)
Subject: simtel *.?z? files
Message-ID: <1992Sep10.203713.4626@cfa203.harvard.edu>

On simtel in the pd:<cpm> directories there are a lot
of files with names of the form *.?z?  (for example,
*.azm, *.izf, *.tzf, etc.)

I presume this is some sort of packed file.
If this is true, could someone tell me what the
unpacker program is? I am using CP/M 2.2G.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Babb
babb@cfa.harvard.edu

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:17:25 BST
From: jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Subject: Source for xccp
Message-ID: <1986.9209101617@csunb6.scs.leeds.ac.uk>

There is an extended ccp called XCCP on simtel20 that I would like
the source of if anybody knows where it or its author are could they
let me know please.

cheers
Jim Jackson
=======================================================================
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School of Computer Studies	        UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.scs
Leeds University                          Internet : jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk
Leeds    LS2 9JT
UK                                           Phone :     +44 532 335451
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Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:49 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Richard F. Drushel)
Subject: Wanted:  Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module
Message-ID: <18o8jhINNm8b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

	The title says it all.  This board is used to program 68701
microcontrollers (internal EPROM) and can also read 6801s (internal
mask ROM).  Yes, Motorola still sells them new, but I would like to
try for a used board first, hopefully at substantially less than
$498.00 :)  If you have one lying about unused, or know of one, please
reply by E-mail.  Many thanks!
-- 
Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet
Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
"Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell
miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem

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Date: 11 Sep 92 07:59:51 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net  (Andrew Prusek)
Subject: Wanted CPM Emulator
Message-ID: <andrewp-100992172531@134.18.56.252>

Hello all:

Does anyone know of a CPM emulator so I can run CPM80 on platforms
that are not of the 8080 family.

I know of one for 8086 machine running DOS but am looking for one that runs
either on Macintosh computers or Unix boxes.

Why? Because I have some CPM software that I run now and again but my
Z80 computer is getting old and tired (Drive problems, blown power supplies
etc etc).

Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Andrew

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Andrew Prusek                                         Phone : 086 40 4590
BHP Information Technology                            Fax   : 086 40 4720
Whyalla

[When all is said and done, ]
[more will be said and done!]

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:52:44 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Xerox Floppy formats
Message-ID: <"11-Sep-92 10:52:44 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

> I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is
> single density.

With the exception of the Xerox 16/8 DEM, all Xerox floppy formats have track 0
formatted as single density.  While I fight with 22DISK to get it to work with
the Xerox formats, I HAVE gotten it to work.  Of course, it does not work for
Xerox 820 disks, since they are single density, and the controller in the PC
can't handle that (without modifications).

I may be way out in left field here, but if I remember right, the first couple
of tracks are reserved for the boot sectors, and there should be nothing for
22DISK to read there anyway.

				~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 15 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   98

Today's Topics:
                        AT&T 3b2 computer....
                      FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
                          KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
                      Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
                            Re: 720k disks
                      Re: AT&T 3b2 computer....
               Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro!
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:35:25 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: AT&T 3b2 computer....
Message-ID: <9209121935.AA24144@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,


   looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer.....

-- 
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:    1112 Hudson Rd.               Southern College of Technology   :
:    Marietta, Ga 30060                   Marietta, Georgia         :
:                                                                   :
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Date: 15 Sep 92 18:12:47 GMT
From: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@g.ms.uky.edu  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.181247.3952@mlb.semi.harris.com>

--
I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of.

The specs as I know are:

	Mac SE look-like case
	2 - 3.5" drives
	Parallel and Serial Ports
	Word Processing Software Package
	Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel
	     with Twin-bin sheet feeeder
	     and approx 40 extra ribbons.

	From what I have learned this is  a CP/M system

Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers.

Thanks
============================================================================= 
                                                 
Craig Carpenter                                  
E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com 
Phone : (407)984-6444                       
Fax   : (407)984-6327           
                                            
"Me, Myself, and I have                 
these opinions, not the company"
============================================================================

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Date: 14 Sep 92 22:30:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!lbartel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
Message-ID: <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu>

I'm writing this on behalf of some friends.  What could be causing Wordstar on
a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five
minutes of operation?  The characters exist in the text file and print fine but
do not display on the CRT.  After about five minutes of operation these
characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything
behaving normally except for the display.  The digits and punctuation
characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT.  I'm sorry I
don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used,
but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's.  This machine has served
them very well in Spain, and now in the US.

I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well.

Lawrence Bartel
in%"lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu"

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:06:39 PDT
From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough)
Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes
Message-ID: <XX00013315@pallio.UUCP>

> What would you say is the equivalent
> cost of using 3.5 inch disks formatted to 1.6 MB?

They'd have to be less than twice the cost of the cheapest 360K
disk you can find to be effective. And that doesn't include the
cost of the hole puncher needed to run 720K 3.5" disks at 1.44 meg
densities.
     dg
---
 + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Be alert! The world needs more lerts

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Date: 13 Sep 92 22:28:00 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: 720k disks
Message-ID: <DL02qB1w165w@ijpc.UUCP>

lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes:
>
> In article <Bu2K2r.6oy@acsu.buffalo.edu> spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes:

> >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing
> >this for a few months).

Well, I've got one up on ya.  I've been doing this for a few
YEARS.

> Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT 
> having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies
> do not have these rings...

Believe it or not, I've seen DSHD diskettes WITH hub rings.  In
fact, I have a few in my collection.

I guess a reason that HD diskettes have no hub ring is so then
the dumb-ass user can tell the difference between a "360K" disk
and a "1.2M" disk just by looking at it.

> So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings,
> for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad
> density disks?

I've seen DSDD diskettes without hub rings, but those are a PAIN
to find.  I wouldn't waste my time worrying about those silly hub
rings.  Just get DSDD diskettes and get it the hell over with...
:-)

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Date: 15 Sep 92 13:07:30 GMT
From: uunet.ca!geac!r-node!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net  (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: AT&T 3b2 computer....
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.130730.16037@druid.uucp>

eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes:
>   looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer.....

I didn't know that a 3B2 could even boot CP/M.  :-)

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com)  |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082   |

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Date: 15 Sep 92 02:35:08 GMT
From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net  (Gregory Watson)
Subject: Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro!
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.023508.3530@access.digex.com>

In article <1992Sep13.233104.27654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kharber@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith A Harber) writes:
>I have the following Kaypro portable computer.  It has a Z80 in it, runs
>CP/M, and has no hard drive--I think it only has 128k ram.

	It is a 4Mhz Z80A with 64K.
>
>"Kaypro" in blue on sides of machine, blue keyboard.  "Kaypro" on top
>left of keyboard.  Front of computer has gray CRT, displays green text on
>black background.  A blue "1" is near the 2 disk drives A and B, which are
>half height drives mounted VERTICALLY on the right.  On the back of the
>machine, underneath the handle, is "KAYPRO 1" in blue, next to it is a 
>sticker with Kaypro 2 on it, along with FCC ID CUL7XLKP2.  The serial #
>on the back of the machine is 391875.  Other than the reset button, power
>switch, fuse, power input, and brightness controls, there is the following:
>
>J2, six pin phone type connector
>J3, serial printer output port
>J4, Modem I/O port (serial)
>J5, Keyboard 4 pin phone type connector
>J6, Parallel Printer output port
>
>I'd appreciate any help in identifying this Kaypro, someone told me that
>Kaypro maybe just had a few Kaypro 1's for testing/prototype purposes, and
>it evolved into the Kaypro 2 and this one was modified to be a 2.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Keith Harber
>kharber@ed.ecn.purdue.edu
>
	No, it really is a Kaypro 1.  The Kaypro 1 was introduced
around 1985 or so.  It came after all of the Kaypro 2's.  A brief
description of what is has is: 64K, 2 Ds/DD disk drives, 2 serial, 1
parallel, came with CP/M and Perfect Writer.  It has what was called
the "Universal Roms", which was when Kaypro finally got around to
standardizing the roms in all of the machines.

	I have one of them sitting downstairs, along with an original
II'83 and all of the documentation if that can help.  I've also
cross-posted this to comp.os.cpm (which is why I left in so much of
the article.  Apologies to those who get concerned about that sort of
thing.)

			Gregory Watson
			gjw@access.digex.com
			gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 20 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue   99

Today's Topics:
                     dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30
                  dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
                      Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
                          need os for kaypro
                  Posting to Usenet / Readnews.....
                        Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
                    Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
               Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale
               Want software for XEROX cpm machine....
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Date: 20 Sep 92 09:27:45 GMT
From: das.wang.com!wang!news@uunet.uu.net  (Joel Jacobsen)
Subject: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30
Message-ID: <2354@itexjct.jct.ac.il>

When I'm tring to run dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30, andhave more the aprox.
1 minute 'idle time', the dBASE crash. 

The system is:

      Televideo TS-803, 128K RAM
      TurboDOS 1.30
      dBASE running from bank 1

What is wrong?

      Joel

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Date: 17 Sep 92 11:42:26 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@uunet.uu.net  (Willi Messmer)
Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
Message-ID: <Buq0Ir.GLu@lut.fi>

Yes, Ashton's dBase II install.cmd for my cpm86 system is needed.
So, if you have one, please mail me.

Willi
messmer@lut.fi

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Date: 16 Sep 92 03:46:40 GMT
From: world!jws@uunet.uu.net  (jim w stephens)
Subject: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
Message-ID: <BunJtt.2vK@world.std.com>

I am looking for information about some Kaypro computer's
which are equipped with Drivtec Drives.  These are 3.3Mb
capacity drives which were manufactured in the 84-85 timeframe.

I believe these machines were called Robie machines or some
such.  I cannot boot normal 360k floppies on these machines,
although the Drivtecs I haved used on PC's will do so.

Thanks
Jim Stephens
jws@world.std.com

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Date: 15 Sep 92 21:13:07 GMT
From: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!cuajg@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu  (Arthur Gramlich)
Subject: need os for kaypro
Message-ID: <1992Sep15.211307.11688@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

Hi everyone,

My mom recently bought some kaypro computers at an auction? Unfortunatly
they didn't have any disks or manuals.  Could someone please tell me
where I could get the o.s. disks for this computer??? Please E-mail me.

Thanks

Jay Gramlich
cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:56:57 EDT
From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh)
Subject: Posting to Usenet / Readnews.....
Message-ID: <9209171556.AA20787@st6000.sct.edu>

hi,

  Wondering if anyone knows of anyway to post to USENET'S comp.sys.....
newsgroups ??????

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Date: 16 Sep 92 15:30:20 GMT
From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!jet!dba@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dennis B Armstrong)
Subject: Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR
Message-ID: <1992Sep16.153020.6170@jet.uk>

In <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>I'm writing this on behalf of some friends.  What could be causing Wordstar on
>a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five
>minutes of operation?  The characters exist in the text file and print fine but
>do not display on the CRT.  After about five minutes of operation these
>characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything
>behaving normally except for the display.  The digits and punctuation
>characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT.  I'm sorry I
>don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used,
>but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's.  This machine has served
>them very well in Spain, and now in the US.

>I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well.

It sounds like the character generator EPROM is flakey and some of
the bits are failing.
There was a discussion on this in sci.electronics not so long back.

Try removing the EPROM and cleaning the pins if it is socketed, otherwise
resolder the pins.

good luck
dennis


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Date: 16 Sep 92 17:21:27 GMT
From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@lll-winken.llnl.gov  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives
Message-ID: <1992Sep16.102128.28214@crash>

There were two Kaypro manifestations of the Drivetec 3.3 floppy disk drive.
One was the Robie (Darth Vader's lunchbox), and the other was the 4X which
was the normal Kaypro box but with Drivetec's vice normal 360's.

Either version was capable of reading a 360k disk, *but*, only after booting
from the 3.3 disk.  Neither version was capable of writing to a 360k disk.

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Date: 17 Sep 92 17:03:08 GMT
From: mcsun!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org@uunet.uu.net  (Bart Jahnke)
Subject: Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale
Message-ID: <537@arrl.org>

For Sale: Televideo TPC-1 Portable PC. 

          It has two 5-1/4" DSDD drives, and 64k memory (plus a spare
             10 k for application software that can utilize the extra 
             memory.

	  Has built-in amber monitor and keyboard which serves as
             a front panel cover during transit.

          Have Wordstar, Uniform (a disk read/write utility which 
             permits file transfers to many different operating
             systems including MS-DOS) and other interesting
             programs.

      $115 (or best offer).  Shipping negotiable.
                                                          
      Contact Bart Jahnke at 203-666-1541 (ext 251) days, 203-742-5128
        nights, or Email to "bjahnke@arrl.org".

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Date: 21 Sep 92 03:19:03 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net  (Martin Halford)
Subject: Want software for XEROX cpm machine....
Message-ID: <ins279k.717045543@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi!

My Father, not being computer minded, paid too much for a Xerox cpm machine
at an auction not so long ago.

It came with NO disks, NO documentation and NO refund......
Consequently, he wants me to get it running for him so that he can do some
basic word processing, spread sheet and database work. (Nothing fancy, but
enough to keep track of bills etc. in his small business)

I know absolutely NOTHING about cpm and have only subscribed to this news
group to find out if the machine can still be used....

It is a Xerox machine (as already stated) with two 8" floppy drives, and a
pretty standard looking CRT. The machine has no visible model name or 
identifyable markings other than "XEROX" on it's crt case. The machine
displays the following message when it is first turned on...

	 XEROX 820 RX VER 1.0...
	 L - LOAD SYSTEM 

It has a printer port, comm port and the keyboard and disk drives also have
port connections going into the crt box where the cpu obviously lives.
I opened the crt box to see if there were any easily identifyable chips or
interesting helpful "other things" but not much made sense to me (what did
I expect?)

Does anyone know what sort of software runs on this dinosaur, & where I could
get it etc??? What disk format does it use?? Any information (useful or
otherwise) would be greatly appreciated!!!

Please e-mail me or post replies here...

Thanks.....martin  (ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au)

ps: sorry if this is a FAQ.... 


-- 
 Martin Halford
 email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au	phone: +61 3 836 4531
	"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh"
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 23 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  100

Today's Topics:
                     Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer
                         Half dead Kaypro II
                    Mysterious Televideo computer
                   Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                    Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
                   Re: Half dead Kaypro II (2 msgs)
          Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
                  Re: Mysterious Televideo computer
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Date: 23 Sep 92 05:41:59 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224159.16949@crash>

 
      I'm looking for any available information *and* a System Disk
      for a Gnat Model 10M CP/M computer.  The machine was built in
      San Diego CA in about 1984, and is a single unit machine with
      a 12" screen, two 5.25" FH floppy drives, and a keyboard with
      10 function keys, arrow keys, and a numeric keypad all in the
      same box.
 
      Any information - whether software, hardcopy, or lore - will
      be greatly appreciated.
 
 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

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Date: 22 Sep 92 18:51:00 GMT
From: olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!donald.uoregon.edu!rbear@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Richard Bear)
Subject: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu>

I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.
I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have
just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be
suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up,
CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 

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Date: 21 Sep 92 05:28:35 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!athena.cs.uga.edu!rholmes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Robb Holmes)
Subject: Mysterious Televideo computer
Message-ID: <1992Sep21.052835.2679@athena.cs.uga.edu>

I have come into possession of a device made by Televideo, and would
appreciate any information anyone could supply.

I have found no model number on this computer, so I can only report that it 
is a self-contained unit, with a monitor mounted on vertical pivots.  Stacked 
to the right of the monitor are two 5.25" vertical disk drives.  The keyboard,
which attaches to the system unit with a coiled cable and modular telephone
connector, has a label that says "Tele-PC", and is laid out much like
the keyboards on the early IBM PC.

Of course, no disks or documentation came with this thing.  I'm guessing
it's a CP/M machine, but does anyone recognize it from the description?

-------
Robb Holmes  WUGA-FM  Ga. Center for Continuing Ed.  Univ. of Georgia
rholmes@athena.cs.uga.edu  rholmes@uga.cc.uga.edu  bitnet:rholmes@uga

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Date: 23 Sep 92 05:42:59 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224300.17008@crash>

 
      I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN.  Will
      pay costs of media, mailer, and postage.
 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

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Date: 22 Sep 92 17:11:43 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Craig Carpenter)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.171143.18926@mlb.semi.harris.com>

----
--I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to
get rid of.
--
--The specs as I know are:
--
--	Mac SE look-like case
--	2 - 3.5" drives
--	Parallel and Serial Ports
--	Word Processing Software Package
--	Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel
--	     with Twin-bin sheet feeeder
--	     and approx 40 extra ribbons.
--
--	From what I have learned this is  a CP/M system
--
--Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY
offers.
--
--Thanks

Anybody have any interest in such a system or even the printer. The
printer alone has got to be
worth at least $150 (ribbons alone cost $120). This thing is taking up a
lot of space that I need
and really want to get rid of it. Please make some kind of offer.
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Date: 23 Sep 92 02:48:01 GMT
From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net  (Gregory Watson)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <1992Sep23.024801.23922@access.digex.com>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes:
>Switch on, warms up,
>CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
>not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 

	Did you also remember to swap the terminating resistor?  Also
have you tried cleaning the drives?  Also try it with just one drive
connected.

			Gregory Watson
			gjw@access.digex.com
			gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails)

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Date: 23 Sep 92 01:48:12 GMT
From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net  (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <Bv0D0D.99u@world.std.com>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes:
>I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and 
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? 
When you swapped the drives, did you change the drive select jumpers?  Does
either one of the drive LEDs come on?

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com  b.marcum@genie.geis.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:05:07 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <9209231305.AA07203@LL.MIT.EDU>

Christopher Browne (cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca) wrote:

>> Just as a possible irrelevant question:  Can something like this
>> system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible?

   Probably not.  Z80MU does not implement a complete and accurate CP/M
system.  It does a good enough job to allow one to run most standard CP/M
application programs, but it cannot handle operating-system-level stuff.

   However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of
Australia called MYZ80.  It creates a totally complete CP/M environment,
including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. 
It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System
running under it.  Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on
SIMTEL20.  My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System
Z80/Z180 computer

-- Jay Sage


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Date: 21 Sep 92 13:44:39 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!mde@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Dennis Evenson)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Televideo computer
Message-ID: <66274@cup.portal.com>

What you have sounds like a Televideo 1605. It is an MSDOS compatible machine
It will run off the shelf MSDOS.

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 25 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  101

Today's Topics:
                            cpm_swap_meet
                  dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
                      Help with Televideo TS816
                       Re: Half dead Kaypro II
                 Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                   TRS80, a brief introduction....
                  WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
                              Y Wing II
                       Z280 Development Systems
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Date: 23 Sep 92 06:18:32 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!utcsri!geac!torsqnt!unixbox!dosgate!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.  (blair groves)
Subject: cpm_swap_meet
Message-ID: <199223.4443.2932@dosgate>

The third annual CP/M Swap Meet is tentatively going to take place ...

Place: Canada Remote Systems office seminar room
       Crestlawn Drive, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Date:  Saturday October 10, 9:00AM to Noon.

Activities: Swap and sale of CP/M computers, terminals, peripherals,
            and software.

            Round-Table discussions

            News on current events

            Demo's

            & More

Anyone who is interested in CP/M, or wants to buy/sell/swap anything to
do with CP/M, is welcome.

Please send E-Mail replies to: blair.groves@canrem.com
---
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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Date: 24 Sep 92 10:04:01 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@uunet.uu.net  (Richard Plinston)
Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86
Message-ID: <10292267.36241.1575@kcbbs.gen.nz>

   >>>>> dBaseII for CP/M-86

   Better send me your snail-mail address and disk format required.
   I'll see what I can do.

   cheers

   

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Date: 22 Sep 92 00:08:33 GMT
From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!azog@rutgers.edu  (Billy D'Augustine)
Subject: Help with Televideo TS816
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.000833.20452@spatula.rent.com>

Hiyas all. For some time now, Ive had a TS816 that I didnt do much
with, so it sat around idle for about a year. Now the other day when
I went to power it on, it wouldnt boot. The belt slipped of the hard
drive, and when I put it back on, I fear that I spun the drive motor
in reverse. For those not familiar with Quantum 8" drives, this can be
A Very Bad Thing. (apperently what happens is the head is mounted on 
a sort of diagional, and when spun backwards, it gouges the platters)

So now I am in sort of a situation. When I first aquired the machine, I
used the tape drive to dump all the data onto carts, so I have a backup
of all the stuff. But, I cant boot it. The head arm goes into its 
jumping back and forth fits, and never arrives at the boot track. 
But, hopefully all is not lost. I have a spare Quantum Q2040 laying 
about (same size drive), that I can replace it with, but the problem is
getting a boot onto it. I know that the 816 can boot from a tape, but 
I dont have a bootable tape. Is there someone out there who could create
one for me, with the dump program on it (and directions, its been a long
time and I dont recall the command syntax) so I can restore it? I would
reimburse you with a replacement tape, and/or shipping, as you desire

Thanx!

Billy D'Augustine
azog@spatula.rent.com

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Date: 23 Sep 92 05:52:38 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!wixer!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Lindsay Haisley)
Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II
Message-ID: <1992Sep23.055238.23749@wixer.cactus.org>

In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Ric
hard Bear) writes:
>I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II.

>I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have
>just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be
>suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up,
>CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is
>not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board
>doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines
>of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and
>maybe B ain't. No response. Next move?


In your situation I'd check out your boot disk.  You can do this on any MS-
DOS machine using one of several programs which will read and write the
Kaypro II SSDD format.  One such, which I have on my BBS (512-259-1261, the
Kaypro Club of Austin (TX)) is 22DISK, a shareware set of programs which
allow reading and writing of files to and from floppies using various CP/M
formats.  Another offering from the same company (Sydex) is ANADISK, also for
MS-DOS machines, which will check your boot disk for dead sectors.  Our BBS
offers assistance for Kaypro CP/M users, in as much as we can over the
distances involved.
-- 
"Everything works if you let it"       |       Lindsay Haisley
                                       |       roadhog@wixer.cactus.org

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Date: 25 Sep 92 05:44:43 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <1992Sep24.224444.17484@crash>

Thanks for the helpful suggestions/hints/leads.  I've got 'em now!!

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Date: 23 Sep 92 11:54:13 GMT
From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Willi Messmer)
Subject: TRS80, a brief introduction....
Message-ID: <Bv152E.2uv@lut.fi>

Yes, I'm receiving a TRS80 for little money but I actually don't know
anything about the hardware facilities it has, only that it has two floppies
in it, so what I'm asking is if someone could give me an information package
on this beauty. Information like cpu, MHz, the floppydrives, bus, video ...

Thanks,  

Willi
messmer@lut.fi

Ps. I just don't believe that nobody has dBaseII-86 version..

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Date: 22 Sep 92 18:03:02 GMT
From: pitt.edu!szurek@gatech.edu  (Joseph R Szurek)
Subject: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
Message-ID: <6135@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

Does anyone have an Amstrad interface unit that you are interested in
selling?  I have a friend who needs one.  Reply to
	szurek@vms.cis.pitt.edu

or post here.

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Date: 23 Sep 92 23:10:07 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@hplabs.hpl.hp.com  (Scott M McLewin)
Subject: Y Wing II
Message-ID: <9209232312.AA04376@ultrix>

I used to play a text based game call Y Wing II, or Y2 which ran under
CPM 86 on my Zenith Z-100.  I cannot find the program anywhere in my
archives, and I have this mad urge to play it again.  My Z100 looks so
unhappy holding paper on the desk like that......

If anybody has this game or knows where I can find it, I would like
to get a copy of it. 

Many thanks

Scott
smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu

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Date: 22 Sep 92 22:56:26 GMT
From: theory.TC.Cornell.EDU!gould@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu  (EWD)
Subject: Z280 Development Systems
Message-ID: <1992Sep22.225626.18865@tc.cornell.edu>

Looking for MS-DOS (possibly 486 SVR4) based Z280 Development system with
C and assembler for ROMable code.  Have looked at SoftTools' system, 
which looks pretty clean and polished, but it doesn't seem to be quite 
up to the standards of more modern compilers I had grown used to before 
finding myself back in the micro world.  Any other suggestions?

Thanks,


Eliot W. Dudley
RD 1, Box 66
Cato, New York   13033
315 626 2878
edudley@mailbox.syr.edu

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:15:14 MDT
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #102
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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 28 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  102

Today's Topics:
                 Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ?????
      Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 (2 msgs)
                Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
                  Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
      Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128
                        victor 9000 computers
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Date: 27 Sep 92 23:41:15 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net  (Martin Halford)
Subject: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ?????
Message-ID: <ins279k.717637275@mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi!!!

I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is just
a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson Big
Board??? 

My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my Xerox
820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that the two
machines are identical.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks.....
......martin


-- 
 Martin Halford
 email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au	phone: +61 3 836 4531
	"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh"
--------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: 24 Sep 92 20:00:41 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Richard F. Drushel)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <19t6paINNrbe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

In a previous article, sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) says:

>   However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of
>Australia called MYZ80.  It creates a totally complete CP/M environment,
>including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. 
>It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System
>running under it.  Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on
>SIMTEL20.  My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System
>Z80/Z180 computer

	Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:<MSDOS.
EMULATORS>.  Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price
than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)?
-- 
Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet
Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
"Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell
miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem

------------------------------

Date: 26 Sep 92 00:50:06 GMT
From: usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@uunet.uu.net  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3
Message-ID: <82FqRB1w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz>

rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:

>  [MYZ80]
> 	Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:<MSDOS.
> EMULATORS>.  Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price
> than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)?

Yes.  Much less.  From memory the price is AUS$30 (works out to about
US$25 I think).

I've had a brief play with MYZ80 and was very impressed.  The pop-up
"debug" window is very useful (ctrl-break brings up a window which
allows single stepping, etc).

I brought it up, in the default configuration, out of the box.  By
default it runs ZPM3 (a CP/M Plus clone) and works very well.  Utilities
are provided for importing/exporting from the CP/M drive, and there is
an API around for talking to the host machines hardware (eg, for serial
comms, printer, etc).

I would strongly recommend obtaining a copy and having a look at it if
you are at all interested in Z80 and/or CP/M emulation. Oh, BTW, it's a
true emulator - with a real BIOS, BDOS, and CCP - none of this "emulated
BDOS" mess.

Simeon Cran, the author, has done a very good job with both MyZ80 and
ZP/M 3.  I use ZP/M 3 on my main CP/M machine, and it works nicely and
is a bit faster than the generic CP/M Plus.  MyZ80 is also very fast.  I
got the impression that on my 286/10 it was an effective 2.5 Mhz Z80 -
very very good.

> -- 
> Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNe

--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)

------------------------------

Date: 24 Sep 92 17:48:44 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface
Message-ID: <1992Sep24.104844.3110@crash>

You might try:
 
              Amstrad & CP/M stuff
 
              Elliam Associates
              PO Box 2664
              Atascadero, CA 93423
              805-446-8440    Bill Roch
 

------------------------------

Date: 28 Sep 92 08:47:10 GMT
From: news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Jeff Foy)
Subject: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <jfoy.717670030@glia>

Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. I'm assuming, at 
least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard 
drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine 
what kind it is yet)

The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards.

According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a 
network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2.

Ok, the problems:

 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" 
    floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine.

 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine 
    are labeled WINCH (DATA)  and  WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is 
    where the cable is supposed to snake through.

 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll 
    probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections 
    (15-pins).

The questions:

 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost?

 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost?

 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type 
    for this setup?


The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M 
ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three 
weeks ago.

Comments, pointers, tips, etc. are definitely encouraged.

Thanks for your attention. :)
-- 
Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or-
                       foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu
             *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN ***
-*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*-  :)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:08:40
From: Giorgos Kavallieratos <GIORGOS%GREARN.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128
Message-ID: <9209251054.aa08910@WHARF.BRL.MIL>

Hello,

I have an Amstrad CPC 6128 computer, running CP/M plus. I want to access
my computer account in the university so since I already have this computer
I was wondering if I could use it as a remote terminal.

So:

1) I know there is a 'general expansion slot' where I could connect an
   RS 232 port. So i can connect it to a modem. But, someone told me that
   regular modems arent 'proper' for Amstrad. I know it sounds silly, because
   the RS232 port is a standard and modems just 'talk' to it, but before
   I give all those money for a modem, I wanna be 100% sure that it will work.
   So, will I have any H/W problems or I will just need regular modem?

2) S/W question:  What communications program will I need in order to
   establish the connection? I am wondering if there is something similar
   to the PROCOMM thing. Does anyone know any program that could turn
   my CPC6128 to a network terminal?   Can I find anything in some anonymous
   FTP site?    if not, is there anything in the market? does it provide
   vt100 emulation?

Please, if anyone wishes to answer I would appreciate if it will be
sent to me by private e-mail because I am not reading the mails of this
discussion group.

Thanks in advance

                                                Giorgos Kavallieratos
                                               Univ. of Crete - Greece

------------------------------

Date: 27 Sep 92 05:37:52 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!gws46142@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Big-guy Lurch )
Subject: victor 9000 computers
Message-ID: <Bv82B5.ICH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Hello everyone,
    I have two Victor 9000 computers from the early '80s, and was wondering
if anyone knew anything about them.  They run cpm/86 or ms-dos 2.1.
It appears that they are running an intel 8088 processor like the IBM pc,
but they don't seem to be fully IBM compatible.  I do know that the cpm
system works right.  But anyway, the question is, does anyone know anything
about these machines, have any software they will run, or any peripherals
with which they are compatible?  Also any idea on approximate value if I
were to try to sell these things?

Thanks
Greg Steele
gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

-- 
Remember, no matter how much shit someone gives you, you can always just kill
the bastard.  Remind people of this when they start giving you shit, most of
the time they get the hint.
gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    Big-Guy on irc

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:45:15 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #103
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <920929154517.V92N103@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>

INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 29 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  103

Today's Topics:
                    Apologies re: InterMeta course
                 Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
                Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
                      Re: victor 9000 computers
                      Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                           Serial printers
                        WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                  z80 assembler suggestions desired
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45 BSC (-0300 C)
From: gomide@fpsp.fapesp.br
Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

With regards,
--
Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357
Software Supervisor     | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo
<gomide@fapq.fapesp.br> | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil
(ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. |

------------------------------

Date: 29 Sep 92 04:35:30 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jeffry_A_Mickey@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted
Message-ID: <66808@cup.portal.com>

>
>      I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN.  Will
>      pay costs of media, mailer, and postage.
>
>      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
>      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
>

 		Disks for the Vixen are no problem, and no charge.
Where do I send them?
				jeff Mickey

	jmic@cup.portal.com

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Date: 29 Sep 92 05:29:26 GMT
From: crash!donm@nosc.mil  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <1992Sep28.222927.7088@crash>

I think that the 'Winch' slots you mention are probably for an external 
drive.  There should be an internal one.  Also, on the back panel should
be a 25 pin connector marked Terminal.  On the machine that I have seen, 
this was for the 'master' terminal - the others were for 'slave' or 
'satellite' terminals.

I have a couple of disks with the MmmOST files on them, but neither are 
bootable.  I'd be very interested in a copy of a CP/M 2.2 system disk if
you get one, and also a bootable TurboDOS floppy if someone runs across
one.

 
      Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG
      of the San Diego Computer Society          donm@crash.cts.com
 

------------------------------

Date: 28 Sep 92 08:12:08 GMT
From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bert Laverman)
Subject: Re: victor 9000 computers
Message-ID: <1992Sep28.081208.2186@cs.rug.nl>

The victor 9000 is an MS-DOS compatible, definately NOT IBM-PC
compatible. I knew someone who had one running. It can redefine
ALL it's character fonts, and this option is used in the
special basic to 'do' graphics (i.e. the value in the screen
memory indexes a (i believe 16x16 or 8x16 dot) bitmap array.)

I think it'll run a fair share of MS-DOS programs, but IBM-BIOS
compatibility is a problem...

Greetings, Bert
-- 
#include <std/disclaimer>

  Bert Laverman,  Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University
  Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl      The rest to: /dev/null

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Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:43 GMT
From: ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@decwrl.dec.com  (Jeff Foy)
Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <jfoy.717708463@glia>

In <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Grey) writes:

>I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
>printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
>getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
>or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:

Ed, is WordStar talking directly to the printer or is it going through
the BIOS (or BDOS)? I remember having this same problem when I was
using 4.0 on CP/M. Removing all the other drivers (ASCII, DRAFT, blah,
blah) helped me.
 
-- 
Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or-
                       foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu
             *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN ***
-*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*-  :)

------------------------------

Date: 28 Sep 92 11:16:33 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: Serial printers
Message-ID: <1a6pihINN1k5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Anyone out there need a serial printer for their CP/M computer.
I have a few 'new' Seikosha SP-1000's and I'm willing to sell them
at VERY reasonable prices.  If interested, contact via E-mail.
Take care.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

------------------------------

Date: 28 Sep 92 11:08:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Ed Grey)
Subject: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:
 
1.  How much memory is needed?  I've tried with as much as 59K.
2.  Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for
    a full featured printer?  
3. Is there a way around this problem?
   
Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0
will be greatly appreciated.  I've been happy with WS3.3 and only
now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional
features of my printer.  Take care.
   
    
NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system.  The symtoms
don't change.
   
-- 
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:29:07 -0500
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired
Message-ID: <9209291629.AA11124@tmpcu.mdc.com>

Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can produce
Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
----------------------------------------------------------------|
These opinions are mine, mine, mine!  I  | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com  |
am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - |



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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:15:30 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #104
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 30 Sep 92       Volume 92 : Issue  104

Today's Topics:
                         Comm program wanted
                  RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820
                Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
                      Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
                   Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere
                  z80 assembler suggestions desired
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:52 GMT
From: MOZART.AERO.UFL.EDU!mauricio@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Comm program wanted
Message-ID: <9209301227.AA07482@mozart.aero.ufl.edu>

	Which shareware program would you recommend to use in a
Z80-based CP/M machine (actually, an Apple ][ with a PCPI card)?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:27:41 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820
Message-ID: <9209301027.AA21428@LL.MIT.EDU>

Martin Halford wrote:

>> I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is
>> just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson
>> Big Board???

   It is basically true.  Jim Ferguson developed a very nice single-board
Z80 computer kit at a very attractive price.  That was my first computer,
and it was very nicely done.

   Two other computers used the basic Ferguson design: Xerox and Kaypro.  As
I understand it, Xerox did the right thing legally and ethically; they paid
Ferguson to design a similar board to serve as the basis for their personal
computer.  But they did the wrong thing technically.  They insisted on some
changes from the BigBoard design; all, as far as I could tell (I also had a
Xerox 820 for a while), made the computer worse!

   Kaypro, on the other hand, apparently stole the BigBoard concept. 
However, they did the right thing technically, introducing some nice
improvements (such as support for 5" drives).  This was the very first
Kaypro computer.  In Kaypro's defense, I have been told that they did later
reach an agreement with Ferguson and did pay him.  Unfortunately, Kaypro
went downhill from there and developed a knack for coming out with new
designs that were worse than their predecessors.  I have a Kaypro 286/16 AT
clone.  It is the only clone on which I have had trouble with standard
software.  Kaypro's recent bankruptcy was well-earned.  The old CP/M
machines were probably the best CP/M computers ever made in terms of
reliability, and many are still in regular use.

>> My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my
>> Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that
>> the two machines are identical.

   The machines are very nearly identical.  This goes back quite a few
years, but my recollection is that I could almost always move software
between the BigBoard and the 820 without having to make any changes.  Of
course, you should understand that most software can moved between any CP/M
computers.  The only changes that are required are configuration for
different terminal codes and different port addresses for I/O.

   The Ferguson boards (including, I believe, the 820 and early Kaypros)
used memory-mapped video with BIOS support for terminal emulation.  Some
BigBoard software actually wrote directly to video RAM for better
performance.  As I recall, such software on my BigBoard would run on the
820.

   In short, I think that the BigBoard software will work, but you should
ask for the right to return it if it cannot be made to work.

-- Jay Sage


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Date: 29 Sep 92 08:13:13 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net  (Bert Laverman)
Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested
Message-ID: <1992Sep29.081313.21253@cs.rug.nl>

Jeff Foy writes:
> Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20.
Hey, here we go again. The Televideo's seem to be in their retirement phase ;-)

> I'm assuming, at 
> least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard 
> drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine 
> what kind it is yet)
Correct. The TS806-10 had a 10Mb drive. Actually, you'll have only 17MB
to use. :-(

> The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards.
Thos should be TS800-A's, which are full Z80 systems, but without disks.

> According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a 
> network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2.
Mmmost is a program that runs on the 806, and takes care of the 800's disk I/O.
It also provides a rough form of protection, and some printer spooling.

> Ok, the problems:
>  1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" 
>     floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine.
It should boot from the HD. Press the reset button again immediately after
booting if it tries to boot from floppy.

>  2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine 
>     are labeled WINCH (DATA)  and  WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is 
>     where the cable is supposed to snake through.
??? The HD should be inside the 806 case.

>  3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll 
>     probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections 
>     (15-pins).
As far as I know that is the case.

> The questions:
> 
>  1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost?
If noone in your neighbourhood can help you, I'll send a copy.

>  2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost?
I'm not sure. I had a 806/20, but it was scrapped when the HD gave out.
Maybe the cables are still somewhere...

>  3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type 
>     for this setup?
I can check the hardware manual if you like.

> The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M 
> ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three 
> weeks ago.
As I said, Help in the states would be fastest, but I'm available as
backup :-)

Greetings, Bert
-- 
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  Bert Laverman,  Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University
  Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl      The rest to: /dev/null

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Date: 29 Sep 92 16:00:45 GMT
From: daffodil!wyvern!waggen!alpha@g.ms.uky.edu  (Joe Wright)
Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M
Message-ID: <1992Sep29.160045.29282@waggen.twuug.com>

Ed Grey (ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the
: printer driver for the Epson FX-85.  When I try to print, I keep
: getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory
: or it cannot find the printer driver.  Qustions:
:  
: 1.  How much memory is needed?  I've tried with as much as 59K.
: 2.  Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for
:     a full featured printer?  
: 3. Is there a way around this problem?
:    
: Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0
: will be greatly appreciated.  I've been happy with WS3.3 and only
: now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional
: features of my printer.  Take care.
:    
:     
: NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system.  The symtoms
: don't change.
:    
Use wschange to create a smaller WSPRINT.OVR containing only the
drivers you need.

-- 
Joe Wright  alpha@waggen.twuug.com  alpha@wyvern.twuug.com

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Date: 30 Sep 92 10:15:31 GMT
From: mcsun!sun4nl!wn1.sci.kun.nl!sci.kun.nl!adridg@uunet.uu.net  (Adriaan de Groot)
Subject: Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere
Message-ID: <BvDz5w.Ixp@sci.kun.nl>

Sketch of the situation: there's about 30 cp/m machines
'round here -- ICL Quadra, with one 5 1/4" floppy
(no idea 'bout density) and a 10M hard disk. The stuff
on the hard disk needs to be transferred to a UNIX system.

			----

But how? There's a COM port on these machines, so if
some kind soul can provide KERMIT or so, we could download
the contents to the UNIX system directly. An alternative
is to find a way of reading floppies from these ICLs on
an MS DOS machine (if I can find one with a 5 1/4" drive)
and I can deal with further transfers myself.

Would 22DISK work? I've seen this mentioned several times
here, I'm sure I can dredge up an XT to read the floppies
with. However, I need to get said 22DISK, and that's
easier said than done (really?)

Can someone point me to, say, a European cp/m users group,
an ftp site for a program to read cp/m floppies. How
'bout vaguely useful hints? Could use them, too.

If you need more tech information about these ICL machines,
mail me and I'll look it up. EMail to adridg@sci.kun.nl.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:52:44 -0400
From: Jay Sage <sage@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired
Message-ID: <9209301152.AA22974@LL.MIT.EDU>

Curt Schroeder wrote:

>> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can
>> produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code?

   I can't speak for freeware/shareware, but Al Hawley's ZMAC package, at
$50, is priced close to a shareware level and is an awfully good deal. 
Except for speed, where the SLR tools reign supreme, ZMAC is probably the
highest quality assembler/linker/librarian package available for CP/M.  It
has a number of features available only in the $195 professional SLR tools
(e.g., automatic grouping by the linker of data-segment items at the end of
all code-segment items) and some features found nowhere else (e.g.,
automatic RSX and type-4 Z-System program generation).  And Al Hawley
continues to make improvements.  All other CP/M assemblers are, as far as I
know, unsupported.

-- Jay Sage


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