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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu,  4 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  150

Today's Topics:
              Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ??? (2 msgs)
                            CPM Companion
                          FREE CP/M machine
                         How "hard" is CR-LF
                  MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
                       MIX 'C' Compiler (CP/M)
                        SIMTEL20 duties resume
                          Sydex update. . .
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Date: Mon, 01 Oct 90 14:05:14 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ???

Does anybody know the model/type specification for the clock/calendar
batteries used in the LOBO MAX-80?
Even better, any address where to buy them?

Please answer to phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il    that has two ZEROES
in ``phr00jg''.
                                      Thanks - Jacques

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Date: 4 Oct 90 00:04:21 GMT
From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net  (Gary Heston)
Subject: Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ???
Message-ID: <y2PHq1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>

PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes:
> Does anybody know the model/type specification for the clock/calendar
> batteries used in the LOBO MAX-80?
> Even better, any address where to buy them?

According to the Hardware Reference Manual, it's a 3.2V 70 mah battery,
with wire leads. Best bet would be to pull the old one and go to a
yuppie shop that sells cordless phone battery packs. 

Gary Heston, at home....

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Date: 4 Oct 90 12:59:17 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: CPM Companion
Message-ID: <15484.270b3226@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <1990Sep26.091021.14560@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
> In article <9009191229.aa09295@crdec8.apgea.army.mil> mdgoodma@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (Mack Goodman) writes:
>>Could someone send me a brief description of what this device
>>is, and could it be useful for me.  I have a Northstar Advantage.
>>This device is called " CPM Companion 2.2 "  It is a black box
>>with a couple of ports on it and a "edge" connector?
>>
>>Private replys may be most appropriate,  Thanks in advance.

Not this one. . 
> 
> now, back to the discussion....
> 
>    if you are knowledgable about cp/m and assembly language, you can do
> one of two things...  either configure cp/m for the companion, or rewrite
> the bios routines in the advantage to allow the use of soft sectored
> disks.   and, if you can find a bios listing for a kaypro or other good
> cp/m machine, you could hack that until it works.   this is basically
> how products like uniform work, they replace those sections of the bios
> with code similar to the machine it's trying to emulate the disk format.
> 
>    for the advantage, if it uses a 179x controller chip (like most decent
> cp/m machines do) then all you would need are the addresses of the controller
> ports.   get a bios listing for sometthing like a kaypro, and just change
> the addresses in the bios to point to the right place.  do this in ram
> with ddt and sysgen it onto a disk, and you would have yourself a boot disk
> for any floppy you want.
> 
>    for the companion, you would do something similar, except you would have
> to find the ports addresses, and since you don't have any docs, that can
> be somewhat difficult.  what i would do is open the machine, and look
> at the circuit board traces to see what address the controller chip
> is located, and go from there.
> 

If you want such software, look in SIMTEL's Kaypro section for the tinkerkit.
As I recall, the video routines, line drawing and other stuff is in there.
I believe the "U" ROM listing is there, or something.  Contact me if you want
to follow up.

> 
>    where are you located at??  you might be able to find a cp/m machine
> cheap, and you wouldn't even need to do some serious hacking to get it
> working, either.    unless it is something you like do, which is why
> i go through this sort of torture.  (one man's pleasure, another man's
> pain...)

:-(   :-)

> 
>    i don't suppose a month goes by where someone offers their cp/m machine
> to me for the price of hauling it away.  if you look, you can find some
> real bargains out there...
> 
> 

Absolutely!

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Date: 3 Oct 90 00:06:33 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com  (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: FREE CP/M machine
Message-ID: <34472@cup.portal.com>

Ive posted this message to the net a coupla times before, and
have gotten screwed twice on it, so here we go again...

I have a FREE CP/M machine, with one condition: whoever wants it
must pick it up at my house in northern NJ. This is due to the
size of it (not just the machine, but the printer, books, monitor,
keyboard, etc).

Physcial dimensions are appros: 4' high, 2' square (19" rack??),
weighs about 75lbs, on wheels.

This is a prototype machine that was built in the late 1970s. From
the cabinet and other indications, this was for use in industrial
environments.

2MHz 8080 processor, 48k RAM (I think), two 8" SSSD Shugart SA801
floppy drives. And a front panel that would put the old IMSAI to
shame. The back of the machine has a myriad of ports, for your
standard stuff like printers, etc; and some for more esoteric things
like card punch/reader.

I have ALL the books and manuals anyone ever wants. I have the CP/M
2.2 users guide, software product manuals. And all the engineering
notes, diagrams and blueprints devolped when the machine was being
built (BTW: the machine was never commercially marketed, only about
5 machines were developed. This machine is the engineers personal
machine)

I also have many spare boards for it, such as processor, memory,
and disk controllers, and more.

Also includes a 300bps character printer, but it doesnt quite work.
It doesnt LF, and I have no inclination to try to fix it.

The buss is a propriatory buss, not an S-100 buss, but as stated
above, ALL docs are included.

I will not and can not ship this, for various reasons (size weight, etc)
If anyone is interested, give me a voice call, and I will give you
directions to my house in NJ. 

The machine works just fine as is, but Ive neither the time nor the
inclination to work on it. I also need the room. Ive recently gotten
a VAX 730, and need room for that and tape drives.

If in two weeks, I get no inquiries, the machine will be scrapped.
One week for net delay, and one week more for low-priority mail sites.
I dont want to scrap it, thats why I am -giving- it away free, but,
I will if no one wants it.

This is a machine for serious computer antique collectors or for
someone who just wants to hack around. (contrary to popular belief,
there WERE computers before the IBM PC)

Billy D'Augustine
billy@westmark.WESTMARK.COM
(201)989-8161

(if you feel inclined to mail me, ignore the distribution address of
this, and mail to billy@westmark.WESTMARK.COM)


  

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Date: 1 Oct 90 18:01:41 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!pogo!rickc@uunet.uu.net  (Rick Clements)
Subject: How "hard" is CR-LF
Message-ID: <9891@pogo.WV.TEK.COM>

In article <1990Sep23.092141.1446@actrix.co.nz> ewen@actrix.co.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes:
>In article <4584@crash.cts.com> mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:
>>      Why don't you just scan for the CR?  If you find one, then look
>> at the next character.  If it's a LF, then throw it away.  If it's
>> not, you've got a weird file.
>IMHO, the best idea is to scan for a LF.  If you find a CR, then
>ignore it.  This means that you can read in text files that were
>produced on Unix/Amiga/whatever which only have LFs, directly.

The only problem is some system use only CR.  (The Macintosh is the one I use
most often.)   I mentioned to someone else that I like PostScript's mothod the
best.  It takes CR, LF or CR LF as a single new line character.  All three
are seen by the program as a single new line.  On output new line is converted
to CR LF.  This works reasonably well on all systems.  (There may be extra
characters on some systems but no files come in as a single line.)
-- 
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)

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Date: 1 Oct 90 18:59:36 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <15466.27079219@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <1990Sep24.235858.13077@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
> In article <15428.26f4f146@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
>>Help:
>>
>>I bought a uC MAXRom for my 84 Kaypro.  Now I am trying to connect a Quad

> 

>    if you already have a 1.2 meg drive, see if you can trade it either for
> a real dsqd drive, or for a 720k 3.5 inch drive.

I did, and am very happy with the two FD55 quads I now have; they were only 50$
each so I got two for the price of one!  Also, they are very, very quiet!!
Thx for the reply. . . 
 BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and 360Hz
spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody wants
to know exactly what can be set on one of these,  get in touch!

Ronn

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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 01:12:40 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: MIX 'C' Compiler (CP/M)
Message-ID: <9010010512.AA25298@cwns9.INS.CWRU.Edu>

A reader of one of my messages about the MIX 'C' compiler (for 
CP/M), which is a full K & R implementation of the 'C' 
programming language, has reminded me that I failed to mention 
the system requiremments for the compiler to work properly. They 
are the following:

           CP/M-80 (2.0 or higher)
           55K Memory
           2 disk drives or a hard disk
           Z80 CPU

I have MIX 'C' (CP/M version) for sale.  If you have any 
questions, don't hesitate to ask.  Take care.

###
 
--
 Ed Grey  \*\  Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
 Inglewood, CA 90305  \*\  Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
 USA     \**\     (213) 759-7406     \**\     Fidonet: 1:102/752

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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 1990  22:15 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: SIMTEL20 duties resume
Message-ID: <KPETERSEN.12626474487.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>

The funding for my task at SIMTEL20 has been renewed effective today,
October 1.  It is not known at this time if funding will be for a
partial or a full year.

It's good to be back.  Thanks to everyone who sent email when my task
was terminated last May due to budget cutbacks.  Your words of
encouragement were appreciated.

If you have files to upload to SIMTEL20 please contact me for
instructions.  This is your archive - we need your help to keep it up
to date.

Keith
- - -
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74]
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.mil  BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1
Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz

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Date: 4 Oct 90 13:32:27 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: Sydex update. . .
Message-ID: <15485.270b39ec@levels.sait.edu.au>

Hello all:

A few weeks ago I recall someone going on about Sydex and their 22Disk stuff.

Well I just ran into a thing I got in the mail that says they are moving.
(Have moved during early Sept.)  Their new address is:

	Sydex; POB 5700; Eugene, OR  97405  USA
	(503) 683-6033 V
	(503) 683-1622 F
	(503) 683-1385 BBS

Nothing over 50$ from these guys, so check it out.

Ronn

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat,  6 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  151

Today's Topics:
                          1.2 Meg drive info
                        1581 disk drive & CPM
                        cp/m operating system
                            CPM Companion
                          Help Beehive DM83
                        IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk
              MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (3 msgs)
                                 SCSI
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 90 08:34 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: 1.2 Meg drive info
Message-ID: <245AA13FEA3F20115B@ucs.uwplatt.edu>

Greetings,
 
In response to:
 
>Date: 1 Oct 90 18:59:36 GMT
>From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net
>Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
>Message-ID: <15466.27079219@levels.sait.edu.au>
 
>I did, and am very happy with the two FD55 quads I now have; they were only 50$
>each so I got two for the price of one!  Also, they are very, very quiet!!
>Thx for the reply. . .
> BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and 360Hz
>spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody wants
>to know exactly what can be set on one of these,  get in touch!
 
>Ronn
 
I would appreciate a copy of the info on the 1.2Meg drives.  Thanks.
 
Lance Tagliapietra  taglance@uwplatt.edu

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Date: 2 Oct 90 23:56:22 GMT
From: att!cbnewsd!veach@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (michael.t.veach)
Subject: 1581 disk drive & CPM
Message-ID: <1990Oct2.235622.27084@cbnewsd.att.com>

I recently sent into CBM for $19.95 3.0 CPM upgrade and got a 1581
bootable CPM disk!. A 1581 dive plus a 1750 REU as disk M: makes a
nice system.  (Also a 1541 drive for reading in GCR formatted
disks, ARGH!!)

At boot time, via PROFILE.SUB, I set the date, turn off the 40
column screen, set the RS232 baud rate to 300 and set feel to 0
(see latest issue of Twin Cities 128 for details), set my search
path to "M:,A:", set M: for temporary files and set the default
drive to M:.

Since the REU keeps files even over a boot, I don't copy any files
to the REU via the PROFILE.SUB. I do have a few script files that
I can call up manually to copy files from the 1581 to the REU.

I was able to salvage several programs off my old (8 inch) 2.2 CPM
system before it finally died. They all seem to work better than
ever (likey do to the REU acting as a large and fast disk). 

I notice that several public domain vendors do offer 128 formated
CPM software. Has anybody tried any of this? I see such things
as C, modula, and  RATFOR compilers as well as full screen editors
offered in 128 CPM format.


	Michael T. Veach
	  ihlpm!veach
-- 

	Michael T. Veach
	  ihlpm!veach

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Date: 3 Oct 90 11:57:29 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!mirror!pallio!dg@ucsd.edu  (David Goodenough)
Subject: cp/m operating system
Message-ID: <XX00011d67@pallio.UUCP>

Someone asked:
> A friend of mine was given an Osborne one cpu.  The only problem is that 
> they did not give her the cp/m system disks.

I replied, and it bounced. The information is sufficiently useful that
everyone might want it anyway, so here it is.

Try contacting FOG (the First Osborne Group). They should be able to get
your friend going.

Their address is:

FOG
P. O. BOX 3474,
Daly City, CA
94015-0474

(415) 755-2000
-- 
	dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg			+-+-+ |
AKA:	dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com			  +---+

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Date: 5 Oct 90 16:50:14 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: CPM Companion
Message-ID: <1990Oct5.165014.18520@techbook.com>

In article <176@pdxgate.UUCP> gleb@eecs.UUCP (Glenn LeBrasseur) writes:
>
>Don't forget that the old sugart 400's that came with the N* only have
A
>35 tracks, as opposed to 40.
>Also the WD1771 only supports single density (and single side). It will of
>course handle an 8in floppy such as sugart 800 for a wopping 256KB.
>
   actually, the shurgart 400 drives will do forty tracks.  it's a function
of software
-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...

Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

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Date: 5 Oct 90 14:56:06 GMT
From: mintaka!ogicse!milton!bperigo@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Bob Perigo)
Subject: Help Beehive DM83
Message-ID: <8642@milton.u.washington.edu>

Have you ever used a Beehive DM83 terminal?  Judging by the lit
LEDs on my 232 checker it may not be compatible with normal
modems and puters.  Please 'r'eply if you can help me get it out
of local mode or know someone with docs.

-- 
 INTERNET,BITNET: bperigo@u.washington.edu         / _   Bob Perigo
 babble on BABEL @ 206-363-8969 300-9600 baud    /_)/_)  UW Box SM-28
 VOICE Bob at 206-367-4433 8am-8pm Seattle time    /     Seattle, WA
 UUCP Path: ...uw-beaver!u.washington.edu!bperigo        98195

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 90 16:08:51 CST
From: Rob Caton <C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
Subject: IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk

I have the opportunity to purchase an IMSAI VDP80.  However, the
seller doesn't have any disks for it.  Before I make a decision,
I'd like to find out if anyone here knows where I can get a copy
of the boot disk.

Thanks!


Rob Caton
Information Systems
Washington University
C08926RC@WUVMD

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Date: 4 Oct 90 07:05:34 PDT (Thursday)
From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <901004-070650-1920@Xerox>

Ronn,

I am replying this way, since your address is too long for my mail tool.
Sorry to the rest of you, whome I'm sure are not interested in this message

> BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and
360Hz
> spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody
wants
> to know exactly what can be set on one of these,  get in touch!

Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for.  I
am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and
make them look like 8" disks.  I am very interested in knowing about those
jumpers!!!!

				~ Mike
				(Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.com)

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Date: 5 Oct 90 16:59:21 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <1990Oct5.165921.18783@techbook.com>

In article <36369@cc.usu.edu> SLSW2@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes:
>In article <1990Sep24.235858.13077@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>> 
>>    Well, in theory you could use a 1.2 meg drive as a 750k drive, but it would
>> be a waste of money to do so.
>
>Not if you happen to have a bunch of 1.2 meg drives hanging about... :-)
    do you have a couple 1.2 meg drives sitting about??   i'd be glad to
trade you a dsqd drive (brand new tandon tm101-4, still in shipping carton)
for one, since i really need another one.

>
>>    problems with going the 1.2 meg drive route....   the tracks these drives
>> write are substantially narrower than even the dsqd drive tracks, to say 
>> nothing of the dsdd tracks.   also, the write current is also greater.
>
>Not true. 80 tracks is 80 tracks, right? They get the extra capacity by
>running at 500 KHz data rate instead of 250 KHz used by dsqd.
  nope.  they do write a narrower track.

  remember, these drives use a higher write current than the dsqd drives,
and need media with a higher coercivity.  (magnetic hardness)  the data
would run into ajacent tracks if the tracks were the same width as the
dsqd drives.   the number of tracks and the spacing of the tracks is
the same as the dsqd drives.

   what is getting to be a popular alternative use for these drives is to
use them on systems that used double density 8 inch drives.  the drive
electronics are virtually the same as that found on the 8 inch counterparts.
of course, you need to build a cable adapter.

-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...

Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

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Date: 6 Oct 90 05:47:11 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <c0uLq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

Sprague.WBST311@XEROX.COM writes:

<< extraneous stuff deleted >>

> Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for.  I
> am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and
> make them look like 8" disks.  I am very interested in knowing about those
> jumpers!!!!

Me too!  I would like to replace my 8's on my Dynabyte box.
Better yet, put high density 3 1/2" if they behave the same as HD
5 1/4" drives.

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Date: 4 Oct 90 11:31:02 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!walt.cc.utexas.edu!spam@ucsd.edu  (Charles E. Watson)
Subject: SCSI
Message-ID: <37898@ut-emx.uucp>

Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know
where one could be found?

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #152
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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue,  9 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  152

Today's Topics:
               3.5inch HD disk formats: Why not 11*1024
                     CP/M Guru Irv Hoff is ill..
                            CPM Companion
                  MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
                       Personal to Ian Justman
                            SCSI (2 msgs)
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 20:26 HST
From: Ralph Becker-Szendy <RALPH%UHHEPG.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: 3.5inch HD disk formats: Why not 11*1024

Dear ol-time OS brethren,

A while ago there was a long discussion in this space about what the
maximum usefull capacity of a 3.5" disk in HD mode should be. I
remember Dave Goodenough claiming that he runs his with 10*1024+1*512
byte sectors per track, which Tilmann Reh found disgustingly
incompatible, therefore Tilmann uses 10*1024 and frowns on Dave.

Anyhow, we were just re-writing the formatting routines of my disk
controller. We came across something very strange. We claim that
11*1024 is legal ! Here's how the numbers work out:

A 3.5" HD drive is equivalent to a 8" DD drive (500kHz data rate MFM),
except that it spins at 300rpm instead of 360rpm. Lets express that as
saying that a 3.5" drive spins at 5rps. Therefore a track contains
500kHz / 5rps = 100000 bits = 12500 bytes, whereas a 8" track contains
10416 bytes. By the way, the data sheet for a Toshiba ND3561 drive and
for Mitsubishi 3.5" drives agree on 12500 bytes per track, whereas the
data sheets for 5.25" HD drives (which spin at 360rpm like 8" drives
when running in HD mode) say 10416 bytes, just as they should.

Now the overhead on each track. It consists of track header:
- Gap 4a:         80 bytes (content 4E)
- Sync:           12 bytes (content 00)
- Index mark:      4 bytes (3xC2, FC)
- Gap 1           50 bytes (content 4E)
then for each sector:
- Sync:           12 bytes (content 00)
- ID adress mark:  4 bytes (3xA1, FE)
- Sector ID:       4 bytes (Cyl, Head, Sect, Len)
- Sector ID CRC:   2 bytes
- Gap 2:          22 bytes (content 4E)
- Sync            12 bytes (content 00)
- Data mark:       4 bytes (3xA1, FB)
- Data:         1024 bytes
- Data CRC:        2 bytes
- Gap 3            n bytes (content 4E)
and after all sectors:
- Gap 4a:          m bytes (content 4E).

This layout of a track was obtained from the data sheet of the WD 37C65
controller (which agrees with the 176x and 179x controller family, and
we assume also with the 2797 actually used in our controller board, but
we don't have a data sheet for it, since WD doesn't want to send me
one), and agrees with the ones listed in several different drive data
sheets.

Therefore, each sector occupies 1086 bytes (1024 net plus 62 bytes
overhead), and there is an additional track overhead of 146 bytes.

Now, we still have to calculate the lengths of Gap 3 and 4a, called n
and m so far. Gap 4a has to be at least 16 bytes, but most formats seem
to use at least 120 bytes, so we stick to just setting its minimum
length at 120 bytes. Now just take the total track length (12500),
subtract track overhead (-146), subtract the minimum length of Gap 4a
(-120), and subtract the space required for data sector (-11*1086).
That yields 12500-146-120-11*1086 = 288.

Now take these 288 bytes which are left, and distribute them evenly
over the 11 Gap 3s, making each 26 bytes long. In the 176x data sheets
a length of 24 bytes for gap 3 is recommended, so we are safely within
specs. Then the rest of the track (11x26 is a little less than 288 due
to rounding) is filled by letting Gap 4a get as long as it wants
(therefore in our case Gap 4a will be at least 120 bytes, usually a
little longer).

By the way, according to the 176x data sheet the limit of 24 bytes for
gap 3 (as indeed all gap lengths we used above) are already increased
above the functional limit to account for motor speed variation, PLL
lock up time, write splice area etc. Supposedly one can cut all gap
lengths in half (most gaps can theoretically be as short as 2 bytes)
and it would still work. So we seem to be far on the safe side.

Conclusion: 11x1024 is a legal format, and actually leaves a little bit
more safety margin than recommended in the controller data sheet. So,
why does nobody use it? And therefore, why should we be the first ones
to find that out?

Thanx for enlightenment, and don't start a religious war over this one.

Ralph Becker-Szendy and Christoph Tietz (visiting)
University of Hawaii                              RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU
High Energy Physics Group                                  RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET
Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822         (808)956-2931

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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 03:28:10 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: CP/M Guru Irv Hoff is ill..
Message-ID: <9010080728.AA19735@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu>

The following message was captured on the Drexel Hill Northstar 
RCP/M.  I'm reposting here because many of the long time CP/Mers 
will want to make that call, I'm sure.  Irv Hoff did lots for 
the CP/M community, among his most noted achievements is IMP245.
        Ed Grey, Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M
            
                   **************************
              
Area:  General
 Msg. # 2534                                   To: All
 Posted:  10/08/90        Read: 2            From: Nick Trim
         02:31:34     Replies: 0    | |  Subject:  Irv Hoff
    R)ead, N)ext, P)revious, E)xit?  Read
      
Everyone who knows CPM guru Irv Hoff will be saddened to hear 
that he is suffering ffrom liver cancer. He states that he 
"hopes to make it to mid-October". Friends and well-wishers can 
drop in on him at his BBS 415-948-2513. (CAPAL via PC-Pursuit). 
Do it soon.


--
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 P.O. Box #2186  \*\  Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
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 USA     \**\     (213) 759-7406     \**\     Fidonet: 1:102/752

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Date: 7 Oct 90 04:28:20 GMT
From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net  (Gary Heston)
Subject: CPM Companion
Message-ID: <X0LNq4w161w@cdthq.UUCP>

fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
> In article <176@pdxgate.UUCP> gleb@eecs.UUCP (Glenn LeBrasseur) writes:
> >Don't forget that the old sugart 400's that came with the N* only have
> A
> >35 tracks, as opposed to 40.
>    actually, the shurgart 400 drives will do forty tracks.  it's a function
> of software

No, it's hardware. You have to move the stop on the head guide bars
(or wherever the stop is mounted--I didn't bother on the one I have)
in order to get the extra 5 tracks. I verified that by testing (I have
one early model SA400).

Gary Heston, at home....

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Date: 9 Oct 90 11:57:43 GMT
From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <15502.2711bb38@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <c0uLq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP>, ** Sender Unknown ** writes:
> Sprague.WBST311@XEROX.COM writes:
> 
> << extraneous stuff deleted >>
> 
>> Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for.  I
>> am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and
>> make them look like 8" disks.  I am very interested in knowing about those
>> jumpers!!!!
> 
> Me too!  I would like to replace my 8's on my Dynabyte box.
> Better yet, put high density 3 1/2" if they behave the same as HD
> 5 1/4" drives.


Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info.  Send them via Email
or otherwise if you have not that service.  Okee dokee?  See ya

Ronn

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Date: 7 Oct 90 23:44:37 GMT
From: crash!mwilson%crash.cts.com@nosc.mil  (Marc Wilson)
Subject: Personal to Ian Justman
Message-ID: <4863@crash.cts.com>

     Sorry to all about wasting net bandwidth, but:

     Ian, will you please send back to me a valid path to your site?
I've gotten four bounces back now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
     UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson
     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: 7 Oct 90 22:52:40 GMT
From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil  (Marc Wilson)
Subject: SCSI
Message-ID: <4862@crash.cts.com>

In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes:
>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know
>where one could be found?

     There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a
SCSI device.  It needs a parallel port.

     Presumably this is going into a Kaypro?  You may have better luck
with a 1002-HD0.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
     UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson
     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
     UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson
     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: 9 Oct 90 11:51:51 GMT
From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: SCSI
Message-ID: <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:
> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes:
>>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know
>>where one could be found?
> 
>      There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a
> SCSI device.  It needs a parallel port.
> 
>      Presumably this is going into a Kaypro?  You may have better luck
> with a 1002-HD0.
> 

I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!?  I'll see wots in my Kaypro
tonite to resolve this one definitively. . .   I'm in line for two more
2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well.

Anyways, keep on your debates. . .

Ronn

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 10 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  153

Today's Topics:
                    converting 8 inch to 3.5 inch
                  First Osborne Group Address Needed
                        FOR SALE: OSBORNE 001
              MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (2 msgs)
              Need help for orphan Attache' cpm system.
                                 SCSI
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 10 Oct 90 11:48:40 GMT
From: sung@mcnc.org  (Wayne Sung)
Subject: converting 8 inch to 3.5 inch
Message-ID: <7185@alvin.mcnc.org>

There have been some discussions in this group recently about using HD floppies
to replace 8 inch drives. I tried this using a 3.5 inch HD drive and here are some
early results.

Hardware:
In general there are no hardware difficulties. If you looked at the pinouts of an 8
inch drive and a 5.25 inch drive you will find that many of the pins line up one for
one. I happened to have an adapter board that converted between the two size ports
so I did not have to make a cable. The drive that I got has an adapter to go from
the 34 pins to a 34 card edge but either would have been ok. Two signal lines had to
be accounted for. The 8 inch drive has a drive ready line which the smaller drives
do not. In my case this line is sensed by the bios but the easiest way out is simply
to keep it grounded. There is also a signal out of the 8 inch drive indicating that
a two-sided disk is inside. Since there are no single sided HD disks, this line
could also be grounded if I was to replace all my 8 inch drives. In mixing single
side 8 inch and double side HD, it's trickier because the line is used during format
sense. I presently have a jumper which has to be removed for single side disks. One
interesting sidelight: the last set of 8 inch drives I had been using cannot step at
3 ms rates. These 3.5 units can, and are actually much quieter stepping at 3 ms than
at 6 msec.

Software:
The formatters that I have don't exactly behave right. For one thing, they are set up
for 77 tracks which wastes some 50-60k of space. They also don't seem to be able to
format up to the highest sizes (presently 1.2M on the 8 inch system). I suspect the
track layout has to be redone, since with the much smaller circumference there is less
room for pad bytes and the 8 inch format has a lot of pad bytes. I did not have any
difficulty reading the 1.44M size that had been formatted on another machine. Of
course the DPB will also have to be adjusted to account for the extra tracks when I
get to use them.

If anyone would like more info let me know.

------------------------------

Date: 10 Oct 90 13:16:53 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax!les@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: First Osborne Group Address Needed
Message-ID: <7355.2712e705@uwovax.uwo.ca>

 Could someone please send me the correct name and address of the First
Osborne Group? (out of California?)

 Thanks in advance,
---
Les Flodrowski                                   CA: les@vaxi.sscl.uwo.CA
Social Science Computing Laboratory          Bitnet: les@uwovax.BITNET
University of Western Ontario                  UUCP: les@julian.UUCP
London, Ontario, Canada, N6A 5C2                     (...!watmath!julian..)

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Date: 10 Oct 90 13:17:35 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax!les@ucsd.edu
Subject: FOR SALE: OSBORNE 001
Message-ID: <7356.2712e72f@uwovax.uwo.ca>

 I have the following miscellaneous items for sale.  The following prices
are in Canadian Dollars - make the appropriate adjustment for U.S. dollars
(about a 15% discount).

Prices DO NOT include shipping. MAKE AN OFFER!

 1. IRWIN 20MB EXTERNAL tape backup with controller for IBM PC/XT/AT,
    software, manual and 2 NEW DC2000 tape cartridges.................$299
                                                                + $20/tape

 2. ATI Graphics Solution Card with software/manual - never used.......$79

 3. Archive tape backup - controller only..............................$??

 4. 5 1/4" 360K floppy drives (3 half height, 1 IBM full height).......$50/each

 5. OSBORNE 01 portable computer (CP/M) in perfect working condition,
    has Double Density and Screen Pak, includes external 12" monitor,
    documentation and assorted software...............................$129

 6. Digital LA34 desktop terminal/printer, wide carraige, serial
    port, documentation, excellent condition...........................$75

 7. IBM PC 256K motherboard with newer BIOS (10/xx/82) - no RAM .......$60

---
Les Flodrowski                                   CA: les@vaxi.sscl.uwo.CA
Social Science Computing Laboratory          Bitnet: les@uwovax.BITNET
University of Western Ontario                  UUCP: les@julian.UUCP
London, Ontario, Canada, N6A 5C2                     (...!watmath!julian..)

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Date: 10 Oct 90 05:05:07 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Don Maslin)
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <1990Oct10.050507.452@simasd.uucp>

In view of the obviously broad interest, please post it to the net!  Thanks.
                                        - don

UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com

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Date: 10 Oct 90 08:18:36 PDT (Wednesday)
From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <901010-081951-1249@Xerox>

> Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info.

Chuckle, yeah!  That makes sense.  :-)  Like I said before, Ronn's address
is to long for my mail tool.  Sorry to the rest of you.

Mike Sprague
1613 Waterford Rd.
Walworth, NY  14568

				~ Mike
				  (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)

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Date: 9 Oct 90 15:43:16 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!pdxgate!eecs.cs.pdx.edu!grigore@ucsd.edu  (Jack Grigorieff)
Subject: Need help for orphan Attache' cpm system.
Message-ID: <279@pdxgate.UUCP>

A friend of mine picked up a Atrona Attache' CPM machine at a garage sale.
There is no system disk or any documentation.  Can anyone suggest a source
for documentation, schematics, system software, diagnostics, applications etc?

Please email to grigore@eecs.cs.pdx.edu 
or call to Dave after 6:00 pm pst at (503) 233 4706.

Thanx

------------------------------

Date: 10 Oct 90 07:03:50 GMT
From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil  (Marc Wilson)
Subject: SCSI
Message-ID: <4903@crash.cts.com>

In article <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
>In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:
>> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes:
>>>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know
>>>where one could be found?
>> 
>>      There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a
>> SCSI device.  It needs a parallel port.
>> 
>>      Presumably this is going into a Kaypro?  You may have better luck
>> with a 1002-HD0.
>> 
>
>I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!?  I'll see wots in my Kaypro
>tonite to resolve this one definitively. . .   I'm in line for two more
>2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well.

     This won't tell you anything... the K-10 doesn't use a SASI
interface, it uses a parallel bus.

     By now you have found that your Kaypro has one of three boards in
it:
	1) 1002-HD0
	   This was the most common board used.  Your 1.9E ( the
	   81-302 ) ROM and the U-ROM are set up for this one.
	2) 1001-01 ( not sure about the suffix )
           Early K-10's have 1001's in them.
        3) 1002-05
           A weird beastie... has a floppy controller where the HD0
           has an empty socket.  The 1002-05 and the HD0 are the
           same functionally except for the floppy bus.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
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     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marc Wilson
     ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil
           ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil
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     INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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INFO-CPM Digest             Fri, 12 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  154

Today's Topics:
                        DISK EXPANSION MODULE
              MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (2 msgs)
              Need info for an S-100 bus system (3 msgs)
                           Offline reader?
                                 SCSI
                           Xerox CPM 80/86
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 1990 09:41:50 PDT
From: Jacques_A_Plumart.Wbst845@xerox.com
Subject: DISK EXPANSION MODULE
Message-ID: <"11-Oct-90 12:41:50 EDT".*.Jacques_A_Plumart.Wbst845@Xerox.com>

	I am currently looking for a  DEM for a Xerox 16/8 PC. Does anyone out
there have such an animal and is willing to part with it?

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Date: 10 Oct 90 05:52:44 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <L70sq2w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:

> Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info.  Send them via Email
> or otherwise if you have not that service.  Okee dokee?  See ya

Is my "from" line showing this time?  I messed with my
configuration file for Waffle and it must have messed up my
header.  It should be kosher this time.

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Date: 12 Oct 90 13:55:51 GMT
From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M??
Message-ID: <15520.2715cb67@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <1990Oct10.050507.452@simasd.uucp>, donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes:
> In view of the obviously broad interest, please post it to the net!  Thanks.
>                                         - don
> 
> UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
> ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
> INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com


The problem is it is Hard Copy!  It's got alot of timing diagrams and related
graphics material.  Fine print as well, so I'll just give a quick strapping
review here now:

	TEAC FD-55GFR

		default strapping:  D1, DC, FG
		
		Adjustable:	D0-D3,  Addressing
				U0-U1,	LED indicator control
					(Use with IU; In Use signal)
				ML   	Spindle motor On/Off control
				      	(Off state: MOTOR ON * disk
					 On State : [MOTOR ON + LED] * disk)
				IU	Will expect IN USE signal on pin 4
					of 34 pin interface if jumpered.
				RY/DC	Selects function of pin 34 signal from
					drive: either READY or DISK CHANGE
		Operation mode straps:
				LG	On state is pin 2 LOW = High density
					Off state is pin2 LOW = Normal density
					(Pin 2 signal is HIGH/NORMAL DENSITY)
				E2	Selects output condition of INDEX and
					READ DATA pulses. (Complex waveforms)
				I & IS	I On state: dual speed mode 300/360 RPM
						(Controlled by pin 2)
					I & IS both Off state:  360 RPM always
					I & IS both On: Dual speed with
						maintenance of READY signal
						during High/Normal change.


Sorry I skipped over U strapping a bit as well as E2, but you get the idea I
hope!  This would have gotten me going when I had a 55GFR. . .

Happy strapping!!! 8-)

Ronn

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Date: 11 Oct 90 20:15:15 GMT
From: dino!news.iastate.edu!hobbes.cc.iastate.edu!spam@uunet.uu.net  (Begley Michael L)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct11.201515.22306@news.iastate.edu>

Hi...Yesterday I bought an S-100 bus system that the University was selling
off.  It works, but I have absolutely no software or information on it.
The case has no manufactures' name on it, but inside are 4 boards:

1:  the CPU board.  MFD by Jade computer systems. (C) 1979 Compu/time
    there's a Z-80 CPU, support hardware, a ROM (boot ROM perhaps),
    and a USART for hooking to a serial terminal.

2:  The floppy controller. 8800 Interface Board by ICOM.  Is this just a
    floppy controller or is it a SASI controller?  there's a 2x25 pin
    male connector.

3:  Vandenburg Data Products 16K Static Memory Board (rev B)
    This has 4 banks of 8 NEC M79729-738 memory chips.

4:  Finally, one unlabeled board.  I'm almost certain that this is a
    memory board.  There are 16 x4 mitsubishi M5L2114LP chips on it but
    I didn't have a source book to make certain these were memory chips.

Connected to the 8800 Interface board are the floppy drives.  These are
2 pertec 8" floppies Model # FD511 in a case made by ICOM Microperipherals.

That's about all I know right now about the hardware.  I hooked a terminal
up to the USART port on the CPU and flipped it on and got on the screen
Z-80 MONITOR
?
and just about any command or random string of 2 characters gives me an
INVALID COMMAND SYNTAX error.  The one command that did something different
was RT which returned (* damn!  I can't remember what it returned, but it was
different *).  Otherwise the machine just sits there...

The floppies seem to work, except that I haven't done more than turn them on.

All right, after all that, tell me, what the heck have I got?  (* no flames *)
Can anybody out there help me with this beast?  I'd like to really do some
serious playing with this machine, but I've got no manuals, no boot disk,
no OS, and no clue...

Also, I'd like to expand this thing, too.  does anyone out there have any
S-100 equipment they're not using and would like to donate to a worthy cause
(me)?  I'm looking for anything; a Cromemco Dazzler would be neat, or perhaps
a better CPU board (6809?  68000?), or maybe even an OS (CP/M?  MINIX?  UNIX?)
If you have anything you think I may be interested in getting or even paying
a small amount for (and you'd be amazed at what I can be interested in) send
me mail...


Thanks a pile,
-mike begley
spam@iastate.edu

------------------------------

Date: 12 Oct 90 00:08:49 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!rpi!clarkson!news@ucsd.edu  (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu>

I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  You
can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your
devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system
running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system.  One nice thing
about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it
so you ought to do okay.  I would recommend aquiring the following
items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up):

8080 cross-assembler
Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in
         *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some
	 user groups have it available in machine readable form).

Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running
CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers,
I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next
to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only
because the University issued it to me when I enrolled).  Do not
even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
pretty near impossible.

Mike

Crime does not pay ... as well as politics.
		-- A. E. Newman

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Date: 12 Oct 90 14:59:51 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!xylogics!transfer!lectroid!lectroid.sw.stratus.com!lennox@ucsd.edu  (Craig Scott Lennox)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <LENNOX.90Oct12105951@minilove.diag.stratus.com>

In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041) writes:

   Do not
   even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
   pretty near impossible.

Quite right ... for that you'd need the raw power of a 6502-based
Apple ][...

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Date: 11 Oct 90 12:00:22 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net  (Semolina Pilchard.)
Subject: Offline reader?
Message-ID: <6994.27145ed6@vax1.tcd.ie>

Gentle reader,

I'm looking for a good offline reader for cp/m - what one should I get? - and
where can I ftp it from?

More for you than for himself,

    J.

-- 
J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie  "I was standing next to a mountain,
                                   chopped it down with the edge of my hand."

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Date: 12 Oct 90 13:10:00 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU
Subject: SCSI
Message-ID: <15519.2715c0a8@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <4903@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:
> In article <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
>>In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes:
>>> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes:
>>>>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know
>>>>where one could be found?
>>> 
>>>      There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a
>>> SCSI device.  It needs a parallel port.
>>> 
>>>      Presumably this is going into a Kaypro?  You may have better luck
>>> with a 1002-HD0.
>>> 
>>
>>I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!?  I'll see wots in my Kaypro
>>tonite to resolve this one definitively. . .   I'm in line for two more
>>2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well.
> 
>      This won't tell you anything... the K-10 doesn't use a SASI
> interface, it uses a parallel bus.
> 
>      By now you have found that your Kaypro has one of three boards in
> it:
> 	1) 1002-HD0
> 	   This was the most common board used.  Your 1.9E ( the
> 	   81-302 ) ROM and the U-ROM are set up for this one.
> 	2) 1001-01 ( not sure about the suffix )
>            Early K-10's have 1001's in them.
>         3) 1002-05
>            A weird beastie... has a floppy controller where the HD0
>            has an empty socket.  The 1002-05 and the HD0 are the
>            same functionally except for the floppy bus.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Hi:
My K2x has been updated by me using the Emerald Microware system using a WD1002
-05G  REV. Y

My schematic & everything I have that's hardware docs says my "parallel"
interface is a SASI interface.  Maybe we're just talking semantics here, but
It's nice to know what the extra ports are on the 1002!  Do you know where I
can obtain specs on the WD1002-05g?  I would like to get more familiar with
all of it. . .

See ya:
Ronn

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Date: 10 Oct 90 18:55:37 GMT
From: ccncsu!ncuug!rayr@boulder.colorado.edu  (Ray Randolph)
Subject: Xerox CPM 80/86
Message-ID: <54@ncuug.UUCP>

Hiya all,
I have a XEROX CPM 80/86, and I am looking for a copy of BASIC for the
puppy.  Anyone know where I can get this?  Any other intersesting programs
would handy too. :)

-Ray
P.S. Ignore the .sig, my email address is:
..!uunet!ccncsu!ncuug!rayr

-Thanks

-- 
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Data: (303)225-1413 HST (or something like that)
"Here the mirror of dreams of beauty...
 Here the looking glass of pride and ruined vanity."  -- Clockdva

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 13 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  155

Today's Topics:
         CP/M BIOS source language Was Re:Need help with S100
              Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs)
               SIMTEL20 FTP server LIST output improved
                        WD1002-xx controllers
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 13 Oct 90 00:06:55 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: CP/M BIOS source language Was Re:Need help with S100
Message-ID: <1990Oct13.000655.18694@techbook.com>

In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  You
>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your
>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system
>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system.  One nice thing
>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it
>so you ought to do okay.  I would recommend aquiring the following
>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up):
>
>8080 cross-assembler
  
  An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine??  go figure...

>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in
>         *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some
>	 user groups have it available in machine readable form).
   NO!

   Don't do this!  Bad idea.

   you don't want to write a bios in c.   you're only restricted to
a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and
as fast as possible.  this is very important if you plan to add
double density drives to the system, since that requires some form
of sector blocking/deblocking.  you do that in c and the bios will
be much larger than it needs to be.  the best tools to use when writing
or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's
relocating macro assembler.  the job is easier with RMAC because it 
will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you.  My cpm mentor tells me MASM
will not work for this.

>
>Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running
>CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers,
>I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next
>to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only
>because the University issued it to me when I enrolled).  Do not
>even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
>pretty near impossible.
>
 I agree...

-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...

Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

------------------------------

Date: 12 Oct 90 23:52:20 GMT
From: mintaka!ogicse!pdxgate!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com>

In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  You
>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your
>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system
>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system.  One nice thing
>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it
>so you ought to do okay.  I would recommend aquiring the following
>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up):
>
>8080 cross-assembler
  
  An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine??  go figure...

>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in
>         *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some
>	 user groups have it available in machine readable form).
   NO!

   Don't do this!  Bad idea.

   you don't want to write a bios in c.   you're only restricted to
a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and
as fast as possible.  this is very important if you plan to add
double density drives to the system, since that requires some form
of sector blocking/deblocking.  you do that in c and the bios will
be much larger than it needs to be.  the best tools to use when writing
or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's
relocating macro assembler.  the job is easier with RMAC because it 
will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you.  My cpm mentor tells me MASM
will not work for this.

>
>Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running
>CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers,
>I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next
>to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only
>because the University issued it to me when I enrolled).  Do not
>even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
>pretty near impossible.
>
 I agree...
-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...

Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

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Date: 13 Oct 90 16:36:15 GMT
From: usc!wuarchive!uwm.edu!rpi!clarkson!news@ucsd.edu  (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct13.163615.6218@news.clarkson.edu>

From article <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com>, by fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay):
> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  You
>>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your
>>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system
>>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system.  One nice thing
>>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it
>>so you ought to do okay.  I would recommend aquiring the following
>>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up):
>>
>>8080 cross-assembler
>   
>   An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine??  go figure...
> 

I was thinking in terms of assembling some code on his "real" machine
and keying it in through the monitor or frontpanel (ugh).  I have seen
some nice 8080 assemblers running on PDP-11's (under Unix lev. 6).

>>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in
>>         *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some
>>	 user groups have it available in machine readable form).
>    NO!
> 
>    Don't do this!  Bad idea.
> 
>    you don't want to write a bios in c.   you're only restricted to
> a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and
> as fast as possible.  this is very important if you plan to add
> double density drives to the system, since that requires some form
> of sector blocking/deblocking.  you do that in c and the bios will
> be much larger than it needs to be.  the best tools to use when writing
> or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's
> relocating macro assembler.  the job is easier with RMAC because it 
> will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you.  My cpm mentor tells me MASM
> will not work for this.

Quite clearly you are correct, it is inappropriate to code a BIOS
in C.  But I had something a little different in mind..realating
to AFTER he got the system up.

> fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...
> 
> Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

Mike

Crime does not pay ... as well as politics.
		-- A. E. Newman

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 1990  15:45 MDT
From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: SIMTEL20 FTP server LIST output improved
Message-ID: <KPETERSEN.12629549086.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>

A change has been made to provide a more informative output of the
LIST command, sent to SIMTEL20's FTP Server, usually by a client's
"dir" command.  The modification does not interfere with other output
formats required by other TOPS-20 systems, such as STAT with args.
The output format is similar to the Unix "ls" format, but without the
protection, owner, and group info.  The order is:

bytecount(bytesize) lastwrite_date lastwrite_time filename

bytecount is right-justified, blank-filled, in an eight-column field.
bytesize is right-justified, zero-filled, in a two-column field to
accommodate a 36-bit bytesize.  The lastwrite_date is blank-filled.
The lastwrite_time is zero-filled.  filename is left-justified.

Pagecount was deliberately not included as it has significance only to
other TOPS-20 hosts, and that information is available with the
default SMART-DIRECTORY option, which uses the STAT command with args
instead of the LIST command.

Thanks to Frank Wancho for making the change.

Comments by email welcome.  Send to: Action@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL

Keith
--
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Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74]
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.mil  BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1
Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz

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Date: 13 Oct 90 07:16:30 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: WD1002-xx controllers
Message-ID: <82Xyq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

Recently, I saw a deluge of messages here about the Western
Digital WD1002 hard disk controller boards.  I happen to have a
WD1002-SHD, and what significance does the SHD have?  What the
blazing heck (computerwise) can I use it with?  I might be
willing to part with it for a reasonable offer...

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 15 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  156

Today's Topics:
            Info requested on ADSI Python tape controller
                       Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter
                 Kaypro 4 software desperately needed
              Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs)
                        WD1002-xx controllers
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: 15 Oct 90 11:55:51 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Dan Fandrich)
Subject: Info requested on ADSI Python tape controller
Message-ID: <1990Oct15.115551.13530@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

I was given several Wangtek model 54590 tape drives and what I was told
was an ADSI Python BSTI to SCSI controller.  Of course, given what I paid
for it ($0), I couldn't very well expect a manual, could I?  I've looked
around for ADSI and was told they were out of business.  I know next to
nothing about hooking up the board, and am even doubtful that it is SCSI
(the latest date code on the chips is February 1984); for all I know it
could be SASI.

I'd appreciate any information about the boards, or pointers to ADSI and/or
Wangtek.  Thanks...

>>> Dan
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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 08:49:50 EDT
From: Len Hatfield <ENGLISH@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter
Message-ID: <901015084950.ENGLISH@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>

Heigh-ho, CPMers!

    We've inherited a Kaypro 2x (I think: it runs CP/M 2.2G using 63k RAM,
has single-sided, double density disks (191k), and has mono graphics)
in our computing lab, which has disks and manuals galore, but no basic
CPM system disk (containing COPY.COM and the other system files).
    I have an old Kaypro 4'83 at home, and have successfully copied its
SYSGEN.COM onto the single-sided format that the 2x will read, and this gets
me to the possibility of writing system info onto already formatted disks.
    But though I have downloaded MFDISK2.COM from Simtel20 and placed
this onto the 2x's disks with a proper reboot, I've found no simple
way available to both format and write system info to new disks
on the 2x: MFDISK2 loads but won't run.  ( I also tried to copy over
the KP4's SSCOPY.COM, but this too won't run on the 2x).
    So I'm stumped and need a helping hand:  can someone send me a copy
of the old kaypro FORMAT.COM, or better yet, a copy of COPY.COM that will
run on this 2x??  Or is there something I'm missing in the Simtel archives
that'll handle this problem more easily?  Or is there some other cache of
CPMware on the internet to which I can gain access via anonymous FTP?

    RElated matters: 1) if the formatting software can be uploaded (as
an ARK or LBR, say, or even UUencoded), it can be sent directly to me at
this address on the internet.  2) Is there a version of ZCPR that's available
as shareware like the K83Z33.LBR, but which will run and load on a 2x?
Where??

    Thanks for any and all help, folks!

                     _______________________________
  Len Hatfield     /                                 \
  ________________/ English Department, Williams 216  \________________
  _______________/ Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061 \_______________
  _____________________________________________________________________

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Date: 15 Oct 90 03:02:22 GMT
From: usc!jarthur!lucy.claremont.edu!jwarren@ucsd.edu
Subject: Kaypro 4 software desperately needed
Message-ID: <1990Oct14.200222.1@lucy.claremont.edu>

help,

      I am the new owner of a Kaypro 4 and I am in desperate need of
communication program (or any other types of software) so that I can hook up to
my school's vax or unix system.  Any info will be appreciated.
		
				Joe Warren

      JWARREN@HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU

------------------------------

Date: 14 Oct 90 20:56:30 GMT
From: usc!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!orc!inews!iwarp.intel.com!omepd!pzbaum!reed!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com>

In article <1990Oct13.163615.6218@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>From article <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com>, by fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay):
>> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>>>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  You
>>>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your
>>>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system
>>>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system.  One nice thing
>>>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it
>>>so you ought to do okay.  I would recommend aquiring the following
>>>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up):
>>>
>>>8080 cross-assembler
>>   
>>   An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine??  go figure...
>> 
>
>I was thinking in terms of assembling some code on his "real" machine
>and keying it in through the monitor or frontpanel (ugh).  I have seen
>some nice 8080 assemblers running on PDP-11's (under Unix lev. 6).
>
  opps.   sorry...      
 
  actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write
z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like
cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC.

  but the easiest route (if you had to config cp/m from scratch) is to
find someone with a cp/m machine that has the same disk format, and
hack the bios.  the beauty of this is that you can write a boot disk
for the target machine on the source machine.  It is a bit of trial
and error, but if you're careful, you'll be succesfull.

>>>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in
>>>         *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some
>>>	 user groups have it available in machine readable form).
>>    NO!
>> 
>>    Don't do this!  Bad idea.
>> 
>>    you don't want to write a bios in c.   you're only restricted to
>> a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and
>> as fast as possible.  this is very important if you plan to add
>> double density drives to the system, since that requires some form
>> of sector blocking/deblocking.  you do that in c and the bios will
>> be much larger than it needs to be.  the best tools to use when writing
>> or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's
>> relocating macro assembler.  the job is easier with RMAC because it 
>> will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you.  My cpm mentor tells me MASM
>> will not work for this.
>
>Quite clearly you are correct, it is inappropriate to code a BIOS
>in C.  But I had something a little different in mind..realating
>to AFTER he got the system up.
>
 ah, i see.   in addition to small c, there is microsoft's basic compiler,
and bds c. which i think is still undergoing development.

 nevertheless, you'll want to get 64k in the machine as soon as possible,
as cp/m takes 8k to begin with, and most of these compilers tack on their
own run time code

-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right...

Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works.

------------------------------

Date: 15 Oct 90 14:22:44 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!mpirbn!p554mve@uunet.uu.net  (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1308@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>

In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
>because the University issued it to me when I enrolled).  Do not
>even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
>pretty near impossible.

Yes, a Z80 system is usually too small but either a bank-switched
Z80 system (with lots of memory) or a HD64180 (with lots of memory too)
could be used. It won't be that nice but the original Minix (on a PC/XT)
has a limitation of 64K/process that could be mapped to the address
space of the Z80, the HD64180 would even have the mapping curcuit on
the chip.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."

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Date: 15 Oct 90 07:56:28 GMT
From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil  (Marc Wilson)
Subject: WD1002-xx controllers
Message-ID: <5041@crash.cts.com>

In article <82Xyq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>Recently, I saw a deluge of messages here about the Western
>Digital WD1002 hard disk controller boards.  I happen to have a
>WD1002-SHD, and what significance does the SHD have?

     The WD1002-SHD is, I believe, the SMD controller.  Not having my
data books available to me 'til tomorrow I can't be sure, but....

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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 18 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  157

Today's Topics:
                  First Osborne Group Address Needed
                   ftp sites for PD CP/M software?
                          Kermitting to Vax
              Need info for an S-100 bus system (5 msgs)
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Date: 18 Oct 90 01:53:21 GMT
From: mintaka!spdcc!mirror!pallio!dg@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (David Goodenough)
Subject: First Osborne Group Address Needed
Message-ID: <XX00011e09@pallio.UUCP>

Les Flodrowski asks:
> Could someone please send me the correct name and address of the First
> Osborne Group? (out of California?)

This comes from a few years ago. I dunno if it's correct, but give it a
try.

		FOG
		P. O. BOX 3474,
		Daly City, CA
		94015-0474

		(415) 755-2000
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Date: 17 Oct 90 22:18:24 GMT
From: richards@mcnc.org  (William R. Richards Jr.)
Subject: ftp sites for PD CP/M software?
Message-ID: <2649@speedy.mcnc.org>

Can anyone point me to some ftp sites containing PD software for CP/M systems?
I am interested in FS editors, comm., utilities, etc. I have an Apple][+ with
an ALS Z-Engine (don't laugh- it works!), but very little CP/M stuff. Also, if
anyone in this newsgroup has any experience with Apple CP/M, I would appreciate
hearing from them... Thanks
							-bill richards-

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Date: 16 Oct 90 01:19:32 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu1!vaxc!phs404g@uunet.uu.net  (G.Anders)
Subject: Kermitting to Vax
Message-ID: <60339.271aecc4@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>

  HI,
      Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer)
   files created on a cp/m machine to a vax??
      The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it.

                 ---Thanks,  Greg.

 
   ****************************************************************
*** Greg Anders, Physics Department, Monash University - Australia.***
   ****************************************************************

Disclaimer: The thoughts expressed above do not represent the opinions
               of anyone, least of all me.

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Date: 15 Oct 90 12:35:59 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!jack@uunet.uu.net  (Jack Campin)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>

demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote:
> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  [...]
>  Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
> pretty near impossible.

Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like.
I've seen it running and it seemed to work.  Needed extra memory and CPU
boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think.

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Date: 14 Oct 90 15:22:03 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!dsndata!unocss!mlewis@ucsd.edu  (mlewis)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <3117@unocss.unomaha.edu>

From article <1990Oct11.201515.22306@news.iastate.edu>, by spam@hobbes.cc.iastate.edu (Begley Michael L):
> Hi...Yesterday I bought an S-100 bus system that the University was selling
> off.  It works, but I have absolutely no software or information on it.
> The case has no manufactures' name on it, but inside are 4 boards:
> 3:  Vandenburg Data Products 16K Static Memory Board (rev B)
>     This has 4 banks of 8 NEC M79729-738 memory chips.


Well, I have three of these (Rev A), bought in 1976 and still working.  This
is  a 16K static MOS RAM board.  Note, MOS.  The Rev A boards were not rated
for 4 MHz, but the Rev B is.  About the only CPU you can use with those 
memory boards is a Z-80A, which you have.  

Welcome to the wonderful world of S-100, where expenses often exceed gains.
S-100 boards available now are VERY expensive, like $350 for a SCSI controller,
and so forth.  I really liked the S-100 buss  (I have 3 S-100 systems) but
they are not worth my effort to upgrade.

Marc

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Date: 15 Oct 90 21:49:04 GMT
From: rochester!bbn.com!gonzalez@louie.udel.edu  (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <60063@bbn.BBN.COM>

In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk 
(Jack Campin) writes:
>
>demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote:
>> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  [...]
>>  Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
>> pretty near impossible.
>
>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like.
>I've seen it running and it seemed to work.  Needed extra memory and CPU
>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think.

Tony Rich told me about these.  It requires their 68000 processor and at 
least one 256k memory board.  Cromemco was bought out by Dynatech, and has 
abandoned support of Cromix, so it is OK to distribute copies.  If you 
can locate the boards and are willing to spring the few bills for them, 
you can get "Unix".  I'm sticking with CDOS and ITC CP/M for now, since 
I'm cheap (that *is* why we use there things :-).

				-Jim.

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Date: 16 Oct 90 14:02:40 GMT
From: njsmu!mccc!pjh@princeton.edu  (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct16.140240.17435@mccc.uucp>

In article <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
= 
=  actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write
=z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like
=cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC.

Or he could run a CP/M emulator on the DOS computer and use ASM, RMAC,
etc. directly.

Pete
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Date: 16 Oct 90 12:25:18 GMT
From: attcan!telly!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net  (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct16.122518.10900@druid.uucp>

In article <1308@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> p554mve@mpirbn.UUCP (Michael van Elst) writes:
>Yes, a Z80 system is usually too small but either a bank-switched
>Z80 system (with lots of memory) or a HD64180 (with lots of memory too)
>could be used. It won't be that nice but the original Minix (on a PC/XT)

True.  I have (in the basement with a blown power supply) a Morrow Decision
I with a Z80 and 256 K of memory.  It runs a licensed port of V7 called
Micronix.  A little slow but a full UNIX system.  It also came with a C/PM
emulator called upm which was slower than molasses going uphill in January.

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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 18 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  158

Today's Topics:
    Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / Wordstar / CP/M <-> DOS.
                        IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk
             Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
                       Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter
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Date: 16 Oct 90 17:03:56 GMT
From: husc9!citro@husc6.harvard.edu  (Gil Citro)
Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / Wordstar / CP/M <-> DOS.
Message-ID: <4437@husc6.harvard.edu>

     I have a Kaypro 1 which serves the word processing function I
need but I have two problems with it and I would appreciate any
suggestions anyone can offer.

     The first problem is that I am trying to connect the computer to
a Qume Sprint 5 printer without much success.  The printer has a
D-shaped connector on the back with space for 5 pins.  Pins 0 thru 7,
20 and 25 are present.  I was told by a cable manufacturer that by
purchasing a special cable called a "null modem adapter," which was a
normal cable with some lines switched, I could connect the computer to
the printer.  The cable switched lines 2 and 3, 4 and 5, and 6 and 20,
but it did not enable me to connect the printer and the computer.

     I have called Qume, Kaypro, and Wordstar about this but nobody
seems to know what to do.  I would like to get this printer working
because it would allow me to have the word processing functions I need
(I am a college student) without spending much money (which I don't
have).  If I can't get it working I think I'm just going to have to
trash the printer, so I would really appreciate and suggestions for
last ditch attempts to get this thing up and running.

     The only other problem I have with this setup is that I am
worried that one day I will be working on something important and my
computer will gasp it's last breath leaving me with important files
representing lots of work in CP/M format with no way of getting to
them.  Finding CP/M machines around these days isn't easy and I'm not
sure where I would look or how long it would take - so I feel like I'm
treading on thin ice by entrusting important files to the Kaypro.

     The ideal solution would be some kind of file conversion program
which would allow me to read CP/M files on a MS-DOS machine, so that
in an emergency I could move my files to a PC and edit them there.  I
have heard of one program which does just that, but it is fairly
expensive (about $70) and with my budget that is more than I am
willing to pay for a little extra safety.  But if there is some
program in the public domain which can accomplish this function for me
I would appreciate hearing about it.  It doesn't have to be fast or
fancy or anything - I just want to have it around to save my neck in
case I have trouble with my Kaypro.

     Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can give me.  If anyone
reading this is having similar problems, just send me mail and I'll be
happy to pass along any useful tips I get.  If I get anything which I
think would be of general interest, I'll post a summary.

                                   Gil Citro
                                   citro@husc9.harvard.edu

                                   Gil Citro
                                   citro@husc9.harvard.edu
                                   
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Date: 18 Oct 90 08:40:34 GMT
From: apn@apple.com  (Alex Novickis)
Subject: IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk
Message-ID: <45768@apple.Apple.COM>

In article <9010060704.AA19681@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU (Rob Caton) writes:
>I have the opportunity to purchase an IMSAI VDP80.  However, the
>seller doesn't have any disks for it.  Before I make a decision,
>I'd like to find out if anyone here knows where I can get a copy
>of the boot disk.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Rob Caton
>Information Systems
>Washington University
>C08926RC@WUVMD

the answer to this may depend of what drives you have on the VDP80... and
what disk controller. However, I for a time was part of a company that bought
out the remains of IMSAI.. and they *still* exist. 

Fulcrum Computer Products
459 Allen Crt. 
Healdsburg, Ca
707-433-0202


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Date: 18 Oct 90 21:22:19 GMT
From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs!hughes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Steve Hughes)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu>

Okay, here's a hardware ID challenge:
In the hopes of saving a few buck$ and putting off
buying a computer of my own (I program at work on a IIci,
getting a machine I can actually afford would be just to pitiful),
I have bought a cheap terminal from a local surplus shop.
I wanted to get something to dial up the mainframe with, using my
old 1200 baud modem that has been idle since I sold my IIe.
They had lotz of Adm3as and a few CDC and a couple of Hazeltine
1420's, (none of which worked) all for $39. After screwing around with 
what they had for a couple of hours, I settled for an
unidentifiable Xerox terminal that had a solid looking screen and
a very nice detatched keyboard.  I was able to get it to work well 
with an old 300 baud modem in the shop, so I figured I'd give this one a shot.

Now here is the deal: No documentation, and despite my best
efforts, I cannot make it work at higher than 300 baud! Not with my
(admittedly ancient, Novation Auto-Cat 212) modem or with a direct
connect to an IBX box (on campus) capable of up to 9600 baud.  This is
nuts; it was built in 1984, it simply MUST be capable of faster
operation, and I am hoping that someone reading this knows
about this machine and can help me out.

Here is as much as I know about it:
ABSOLUTELY NO DIP SWITCHES.
Product Code (from bottom of monitor unit): UO5. 
Description: Monitor is green filter over a white phosphorous crt,
detatched keyboard, keyboard has numeric keypad on the right side,
"Xerox" nameplate in upper left corner of keyboard unit. "Help"
key in upper left corner of keyboard (where you might expect to find "esc").

There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake,
a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit.  
I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU.
The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message:

Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp.

     L - Load System
     H - Host Terminal
     T - Typewriter

*

The "*" is, apparently, a monitor program prompt. Pressing the "Help" key
from the * prompt yields this result:

Baud     <rate> [B/A]
Dump     [start] [end]
Goto     <addr>
Modify   <addr>
Protocol <xon> [msk val]

Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right?
Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands,
for example, "w" yields "C1981BALCORESCOMPUTER" and some commands like
"e" or "a" seem to produce some result, sometimes an apparent
hang, sometimes something like:
m 
0000   00  <-stops here and waits for me to type a hex digit, then
             continues

After I've done something online (at @%$# 300 baud) I can reset the
machine (via the reset button on the back), get the * prompt back, and use
the "d" (dump) command to generate a nice hex and ASCII scroll through
RAM, and sure enough, my whole session is sitting there! 

Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and 
down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright
dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit
"Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with
all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their
labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector.

Other fun:
The command "Parity even" seems to be digested by the monitor program,
other attempts at discovering commands yield a beep and "what?" so
I can tell what sort of input at least gets accepted. I can't seem
to make the "baud" command choke by typing, say, "baud huppho" or 
something. No luck with stuff like "set" or "VT100" (it was worth a
try at least!).

Typewriter mode lets me type on the screen, and I assume, would pass
characters through to a printer if attatched. L for Load system
results in a hang, I assume it is trying to boot from floppy drives
which, of course, I have not. After entering typewriter mode or
host terminal mode I get the message "ctl-esc to exit", which takes
me back to the "*" prompt.

So the bottom line is, What do I have here besides a fun little Z-80
micro and part time extremely dumb, 300 baud terminal?
Screen sure is solid, keyboard very nice, it's pleasant enough to _use_
but working at 300 baud is driving me nuts!

Does anybody know anything about my mysterious Xerox UO5?

If you do, please email me at:

hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu

Since this is a Z-80 machine, it must have run CP/M, and I have
recently heard that it may in fact be a Xerox 820 microcomputer.
If this is so, I would be very interested in buying a copy
of the users manual from someone. I don't think I would be
interested in disk drives, etc, but I would be intersted in
discovering if the ROM host terminal mode supports some kind
of terminal emulation, or if it will allow me to set parity, stop
bits, etc..

I've got to believe that someone reading comp.os.cpm has used this
machine!

Any help at all would by much appreciated.  Thanks!

-Steve

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Date: 17 Oct 90 17:45:03 GMT
From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu  (Don Maslin)
Subject: Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter
Message-ID: <1990Oct17.174503.21381@simasd.uucp>

Somebody played 'games' with your 2X before you got it!  As issued, the 2X had
Double sided double density drives.  I'd look into restoring it to original. 

UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
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INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #159
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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 20 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  159

Today's Topics:
                   ftp sites for PD CP/M software?
             Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
                            Kermit to VAX
                  Need info for an S-100 bus system
             Simtel20 directories (was Re: C for the 128)
                         Z80MU info? (2 msgs)
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Date: 20 Oct 90 10:43:38 GMT
From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@ucsd.edu  (Ross Alford)
Subject: ftp sites for PD CP/M software?
Message-ID: <1087@iceman.jcu.oz>

Sites for CP/M PD software:
  of course, there is the classic:  WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL, 26.2.0.74, which
has mountains of CP/M stuff.  Closer to the original inquirer, whom I noticed
was from MCNC, is site 128.109.153.4, ccvax.cc.ncsu.edu, which also has
quite a bit of PD CP/M stuff.  To use the ncsu system, it's best to telnet to
it, when it asks for a userid tell it PUBLIC--this gets you into a bbs.  it
is also possible to use anonymous ftp to retrieve  files from it,
but it has some sort of VAX/VMS? directory structure that makes it difficult to
decide what directory to ask for.

Ross Alford
zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au

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Date: 19 Oct 90 04:06:10 GMT
From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@eddie.mit.edu  (Mitch Mlinar)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <27614@usc.edu>

In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes:
>
>There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake,
>a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit.  
>I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU.
>The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message:
>
>Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp.
>
>     L - Load System
>     H - Host Terminal
>     T - Typewriter
>

You have a full-fledged 820-II Xerox CP/M computer which, of course,
needs disk drives (8" or 5" to work and a floppy card inside).

>Baud     <rate> [B/A]
>Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right?
>Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands,

No.  You would THINK it should do that, and I agree.  However, Xerox
uses a hardware chip to set baud rate which takes a 4-bit value.
Xerox did not map this, so Baud rate works with values from "0" to "F".

Now, if memory serves me right, "5" is 300 baud, "7" is 1200 baud, "E" (or is
it "D") is 9600 baud.  I don't remember all the others in between, but you
get the idea.  Obviously, don't use the quotes, just the letter/number.

There is an ADM-3A compatible video there, but it is NOT just a terminal
that is widely configurable.  Have fun...


>If you do, please email me at:
>
>hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu
>

Mail bounced....


-Mitch

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Date: Fri 19 Oct 90 06:03:46-EDT
From: John C Klensin <KLENSIN@INFOODS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Kermit to VAX
Message-ID: <656330626.238881.KLENSIN@INFOODS.MIT.EDU>

Greg Anders writes...
>      Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer)
>   files created on a cp/m machine to a vax??
>      The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it.
  Greg,
   We do this more or less all the time.  Which versions of kermit are 
you using (VAX and CP/M machine), what type of files are trying to 
transfer (text or otherwise ("binary")), and what are the symptoms of 
"not handling it"?
   Most problems in dealing with VMS (Bliss) kermit arise from failure 
to use SET FILE BINARY when trying to transfer non-text files, perceived 
parity differences between the two kermits, etc.
    --john klensin
    Klensin@INFOODS.MIT.EDU
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Date: 19 Oct 90 20:49:26 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!littlei!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com>

In article <1990Oct16.140240.17435@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>In article <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>= 
>=  actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write
>=z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like
>=cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC.
>
>Or he could run a CP/M emulator on the DOS computer and use ASM, RMAC,
>etc. directly.
>
Not exactly.  I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay.  I could
assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator.  Z80MU does
not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among
other things.  if anybody knows of another emulator that works like
z80mu (user interface) but does a better emulation, i'd appreciate
hearing from you.



-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: 19 Oct 90 04:20:03 GMT
From: mintaka!spdcc!ima!mirror!pallio!dg@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU  (David Goodenough)
Subject: Simtel20 directories (was Re: C for the 128)
Message-ID: <XX00011e18@pallio.UUCP>

ez001287@deneb (Thomas Lew) says:
> I've been FTP-ing from various sites for a while now, but SIMTEL20 seems
> to work a bit differently from the rest.  I can't find any "get"-table
> files or find any changable directories.  Can anyone help?

Try changing directory to PD2:<CPM.C128> and doing a DIR

SIMTEL20 is a TOPS-20 machine (I think - corrections welcome), and the
general layout of a directory is PD2:<DIR.SUBDIR>. You may be able to
CWD to PD2:<CPM> to get a list of the subdirs. Also there are several
upper level directories (The bit before the period), the ones I know
are CPM, and SIGM which are the CP/M and SIG/M archives, but I think
there are ones for MS-DOS, MISC stuff and maybe UNIX.

I've cross posted this to comp.os.cpm, but redirected followups back to
comp.sys.cbm - if there are any CP/M'ers out there that can provide better
(or even correct :-) ) information, it would be very welcome indeed.
-- 
	dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg			+-+-+ |
AKA:	dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com			  +---+

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Date: 18 Oct 90 14:21:00 GMT
From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@apple.com
Subject: Z80MU info?
Message-ID: <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au>

Hi:

Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU?  It has color
and alot more "good stuff" in it.  UNfortunately, the registration price is a
bit steep. Anyways, There you go.  We got it over the net, but I can't remember 
where now.  If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out.

If I used it more than once a month, I'd register it. . .

Ronn

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Date: 20 Oct 90 10:49:44 GMT
From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@ucsd.edu  (Ross Alford)
Subject: Z80MU info?
Message-ID: <1088@iceman.jcu.oz>

In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
>Hi:
>
>Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU?  It has color
>and alot more "good stuff" in it.  UNfortunately, the registration price is a
>bit steep. Anyways, There you go.  We got it over the net, but I can't remember 
>where now.  If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out.
>                                          ^^^^^YAAAH
>Ronn

There's a shout.  Can't do better over the net.  I'd definitely
like to know the location of this new Z80MU.  

Thanks in advance
Ross Alford
zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 24 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  160

Today's Topics:
               Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc
         Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? (2 msgs)
                       Kaypro - Qume connection
                  Need info for an S-100 bus system
                            vt180 manuals
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 13:04:43 EDT
From: "Paul V. Pullen" <pvpullen@crdec7.apgea.army.mil>
Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc
Message-ID: <9010221304.aa26662@crdec7.apgea.army.mil>

Sorry about having to send this to the board, but I have struck out trying to
get this to Gil Citro.  Husc6 and husc9 returned it to me.  

To: husc9!citro@husc6
Cc: pvpullen@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:  Kaypro1 and Qume Sprint 5
Message-Id:  <9010191212.aa29665@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

Hope this helps;

Qume hookup to Kaypro1 should require a direct cable with the following pins:

		1<-------------------------------------->1
		2<-------------------------------------->2
	 	3<-------------------------------------->3
		4<-------------------------------------->4
		5<-------------------------------------->5
		6<-------------------------------------->6
		7<-------------------------------------->7
		8<-------------------------------------->8
	       20<-------------------------------------->20

(note: pin 8 is questionable, but I have always used it in my connection from
my Intertec Compustar VPU-30's to the Qume Sprint 5 printers).

The switches under the front cover of the Qume is probably where the problem 
lies.  The setup for the twin bank switches (that exist under the full front
panel model of the Qume Sprint 5) are as follows:

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                                          |
|                                                                          |
|                                                                          |
/                                                                          |
                                                                           |
\                                                                          /
|                                                                          
|                                              Aswitch    Bswitch          \
|                                              +--------+ +--------+       |
|                                              |87654321| |87654321|       |
|                                              +--------+ +--------+       |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Front of printer			To back of printer ^
					To front of printer v
A Switches                         B Switches                         
                                                                      
8&7 are set parity                 8 & 7 Handshake                    
                                                                      
		8	7          	dtr&etx/ack	v	v  
	odd  	v	v          	xon/xoff	v	^  
	even	v	^                                             
	mark	^	v          6 Auto lf/cr                       
	space	^	^                                             
                                   	auto cr/lf on	^          
6 Modem/no modem                   	auto cr/lf off	v          
	                                                              
	No Modem	^          5 Auto LF                          
	Modem		v                                             
                                   	auto lf on	^          
5 Half/Full Duplex                 	auto lf off	v          
                                                                      
	Half		^          4 Stop print on paper out          
	Full		v                                             
                                   	stop on		^          
4 Self Test                        	stop off 	v          
                                                                      
	on		^          B3-B1 twintellect/ memory expansion
	off		v               are installed                 
                                                                      
3 2 & 1 Baud Rate                  3 Twintellect                      
                                                                      
	110	v	v	v  	on		^          
	150	v	v	^  	off		v          
	300	v	^ 	v                                     
	600	v	^	^  2 Not Used                         
       1200	^	v	v	                                   
       2400	^	v	^                                     
       4800	^	^	v                                     
       9600	^	^	^  1 Automatic Bidirectional printing 
                                                                      
                                   	on		^          
                                   	off		v          

The setup on my qume (with the intertec) is as follows:

	A Bank			B bank

	^ ^  ^ 			 ^     ^
	87654321		87654321
	 v vv vv		v vvvvv


As you can see, I am using mark for parity, no modem, full duplex, st-off,
and 1200 bits per second on the A bank.  B bank gives me xon/xoff handshake,
and auto bi-direction on (if my printer has twintellect installed in it.)

You will have to play with the serial port settings for your Kaypro1.  A 
The manual on the system will tell you how to set the output ports to use 
the serial printer port instead of the parallel printer port.  I believe
the local setup is something like stat slp:=tty: if I remember correct.
(I may be wrong, so don't quote me.)  Once the Kaypro is using the serial 
printer port, and the cable is correct, it "should be" easy.  If necessary,
I can bring my K1 to work and try it.  After that, a  serial cable with the
above listed leads should give you print on the printer.  

Transfer of files from the Kaypro1 disk to IBM is very easily accomplished 
using the 22Disk program that is share ware and available from
WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL public domain archives.  It stored under the MSDOS
archives, and is a fully operational system.  The writers ask you to register
your copy with them by paying a $25.00 registration fee, which gets you a 
copy without the advertising that is in the download version.  It does work 
very well, and is worth the support.

If I can be of assistance in the future, let me know.

----------------------------------
Paul Pullen
United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center
pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil
(301) 671-2519 /(301) 671-4174			
----------------------------------

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Date: 22 Oct 90 09:45:51 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <1990Oct22.094551.21727@techbook.com>

In article <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes:
>>
>>Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and 
>>down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright
>>dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit
>>"Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with
>>all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their
>>labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    That's the givaway that it's not an 820 - I.   i wish i could help
>you more, but the only info i have is for the -I machines, and your machine
>is mostly likely a -II.  the baud rate generators are the same in each
>machine, so you should be able to use the table above to select baud rates.
>
Damn, i should have been thinking....
 
     was that card in the edge connector by any chance the monitor
electronics???   does the main board have a card edge connector on it??
 
     better yet, look on the cpu board for these numbers:
 
                   either    140P82629A
                       or    140P82664A
 
     if it has either of those 2 numbers, then you have an 820 and
are in luck.  
 
     820-I machines do not have an edge connector on the main board.

 
-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: 22 Oct 90 09:34:31 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com>

In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes:
>
>
>Okay, here's a hardware ID challenge:
>In the hopes of saving a few buck$ and putting off
>buying a computer of my own (I program at work on a IIci,
>getting a machine I can actually afford would be just to pitiful),
>I have bought a cheap terminal from a local surplus shop.
>I wanted to get something to dial up the mainframe with, using my
>old 1200 baud modem that has been idle since I sold my IIe.
>They had lotz of Adm3as and a few CDC and a couple of Hazeltine
>1420's, (none of which worked) all for $39. After screwing around with 
>what they had for a couple of hours, I settled for an
>unidentifiable Xerox terminal that had a solid looking screen and
>a very nice detatched keyboard.  I was able to get it to work well 
>with an old 300 baud modem in the shop, so I figured I'd give this one a shot.
   good choice thus far...    broken terms are a waste of time...

   Before i go on, this followup is contigent on Beaverton Telephone
throwing me a bunch of line noise that just might disconnect me.  It makes
vi a bitch to use...
>
>Now here is the deal: No documentation, and despite my best
>efforts, I cannot make it work at higher than 300 baud! Not with my
>(admittedly ancient, Novation Auto-Cat 212) modem or with a direct
>connect to an IBX box (on campus) capable of up to 9600 baud.  This is
>nuts; it was built in 1984, it simply MUST be capable of faster
>operation, and I am hoping that someone reading this knows
>about this machine and can help me out.
   it is.  baud rate generator is located at port 00H, write only.
you can write to this with the monitor, using the "o" command.  syntax
is  o port, data  .   all values must be entered in hex.
 
                          Baud rate table
                          00  =  50 baud
                          01  =  75 baud
                          02  = 110 baud
                          03  = 134.5 baud   (very odd)
                          04  = 150 baud
                          05  = 300 baud
                          06  = 600 baud
                          07  = 1200 baud
                          08  = 1800 baud
                          09  = 2000 baud
                          0A  = 2400 baud
                          0B  = 3600 baud
                          0C  = 4800 baud
                          0D  = 7200 baud
                          0E  = 9600 baud
                          0F  = 19.2 Kbaud

>
>Here is as much as I know about it:
>ABSOLUTELY NO DIP SWITCHES.
>Product Code (from bottom of monitor unit): UO5. 
>Description: Monitor is green filter over a white phosphorous crt,
>detatched keyboard, keyboard has numeric keypad on the right side,
>"Xerox" nameplate in upper left corner of keyboard unit. "Help"
>key in upper left corner of keyboard (where you might expect to find "esc").
  From the sounds of it, you have an 820 - II  .
>
>There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake,
>a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit.  
>I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU.
>The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message:
>
>Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp.
>
>     L - Load System
>     H - Host Terminal
>     T - Typewriter
>
>m 
>0000   00  <-stops here and waits for me to type a hex digit, then
>             continues
  that command allows you to enter a specified value into any memory
location.   if your monitor doesn't support the o command, you will need
to enter the instructions to change baud rate into memory, and use the
goto command to execute it.
 
  perhaps the baud command would work if you entered just the b.

>
>Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and 
>down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright
>dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit
>"Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with
>all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their
>labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    That's the givaway that it's not an 820 - I.   i wish i could help
you more, but the only info i have is for the -I machines, and your machine
is mostly likely a -II.  the baud rate generators are the same in each
machine, so you should be able to use the table above to select baud rates.

   your best bet would be to find someone with a similar machine, get some
disk drives and make a boot disk.   run cp/m and use a terminal emulator.
by the way, the 820 machines emulate an adm 3a directly.
>
>Since this is a Z-80 machine, it must have run CP/M, and I have
>recently heard that it may in fact be a Xerox 820 microcomputer.
>If this is so, I would be very interested in buying a copy
>of the users manual from someone. I don't think I would be
>interested in disk drives, etc, but I would be intersted in
>discovering if the ROM host terminal mode supports some kind
>of terminal emulation, or if it will allow me to set parity, stop
>bits, etc..
   It's really a fine cp/m machine.  although it probably has seen its
better days, using it as merely a dumb terminal is a waste of resources.
Find some disk drives (i think it can handle both 8 inch and 5 inch,
check the controller chip.  if it's a 1771, your stuck at single density
and (practically) 8 inch drives, if it's a 179x you can use either.)
and enjoy the machine for what it is.
 
   they work great as a bbs host...  :)
-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 90 23:56:26 PDT
From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose)
Subject: Kaypro - Qume connection
Message-ID: <0093E7F2C0665420.00000111@dcs.simpact.com>

Reference the recent Kaypro-Qume connection problems, the definition of
RS-232 is a connection that never works first time, and always works in
the end.
 
You need the following book:
  The RS-232 Solution - Joe Campbell - Sybex

which is a good practical reference and also deals specifically with
interfacing a Kaypro to an MX100, which might be some help.  With this
book, debugging an unkown interface takes between 30 seconds and 4 hours;
certainly I've never had a failure yet, and I'm no sort of expert.

Good luck - Will
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 18:27:40 PDT
From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <9010200127.AA03607@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov>

In <60063@bbn.BBN.COM> rochester!bbn.com!gonzalez@louie.udel.edu
(Jim Gonzalez) writes:

>In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk 
>(Jack Campin) writes:
>>
>>demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote:
>>> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-).  [...]
>>>  Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is
>>> pretty near impossible.
>>
>>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like.
>>I've seen it running and it seemed to work.  Needed extra memory and CPU
>>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think.
>
>Tony Rich told me about these.  It requires their 68000 processor and at 
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^??
>least one 256k memory board.  Cromemco was bought out by Dynatech, and has 
				[remainder deleted....}

It requires *bunches* of bank select memory, but I distinctly remember
seeing a friend run Cromemco's CROMIX on a 4MHz Z80 cpu (I think it was
a Cromemco "ZPU"???).   Don't remember much about performance or function,
however.

				roger            rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov
							 icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov


Three vampires walk into a bar and the first one says to the bartender,
"I'd like a pint of blood."  The second one says, "A pint of blood for
me too."  The third one says, "Make mine a pint of plasma."  The bartender
says, "Let me be sure I've got this right.  That will be two bloods and
a blood lite?"



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Date: 21 Oct 90 22:09:27 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!dciem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net  (Larry Moore)
Subject: vt180 manuals
Message-ID: <XX00000310@lfergus.UUCP>

Anyone have any manuals for the DEC CP/M system, the VT180,
no longer supported nor stocked by Digital?
Thanks for any pointers or help!

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 24 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  161

Today's Topics:
                       INFO-CPM Digest V90 #160
         Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? (2 msgs)
              Need info for an S-100 bus system (3 msgs)
                   Wanted: Intertec Superbrain info
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 11:18 CDT
From: "arun baheti <sabahe@macalstr.edu>" <SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU>
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #160

Re: 820-I/II identification

It does sound like you have a -II, not a -I.  You should have
several options.  From the monitor when you turn on the system,
does the machine give three choices (load, typewriter, terminal host?)?
If so, it is a -II.  To set baud rate, you can use a monitor command
"B" in the following manner: B 7 A (Baud 7=1200 bps port=A).  B A A will
set for 2400; the hex listing sent previously gives other values.
You may also be able to find some cheap 8" or 5.25" drives at a local
Xerox Store or via a Xerox oriented BBS, and then run CP/M software.

--arun baheti
  nbaheti.elsegundo@xerox.com
  sabahe@macalstr.edu

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Date: 23 Oct 90 00:49:47 GMT
From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Mitch Mlinar)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <27666@usc.edu>

In article <1990Oct22.094551.21727@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>In article <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>>In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes:
>>>labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector.
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     was that card in the edge connector by any chance the monitor
>electronics???   does the main board have a card edge connector on it??

It is - no doubt at all - an 820-II.  They have two edge connectors on
them.  One (which is in use) is either for the floppy controller or
hard disk controller.  The other is for an 8088 card which, in turn, can talk
to an expansion box which can have all other kinds of goodies.

Most stock 820-II have the floppy card.  Look at the main 40-pin chip on this
small card; if it is a 1797, it is the floppy.  If it is a Z80-PIO, then it
is the hard disk controller.

-Mitch

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Date: 23 Oct 90 00:56:20 GMT
From: spdcc!mirror!pallio!dg@husc6.harvard.edu  (David Goodenough)
Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what?
Message-ID: <XX00011e31@pallio.UUCP>

In article <27614@usc.edu> mlinar@eve.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) sez:
>In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes:
>>Baud     <rate> [B/A]
>>Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right?
>>Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands,
>
> No.  You would THINK it should do that, and I agree.  However, Xerox
> uses a hardware chip to set baud rate which takes a 4-bit value.
> Xerox did not map this, so Baud rate works with values from "0" to "F".
>
> Now, if memory serves me right, "5" is 300 baud, "7" is 1200 baud, "E" (or
> is it "D") is 9600 baud.  I don't remember all the others in between, but
> you get the idea.  Obviously, don't use the quotes, just the letter/number.

Hummm - this got me to thinking about the QTERM patch for a Kaypro, which
is based on the "good 'ol" Ferguson Big Board [1], just like the Xerox 820
was. So I pulled the baud rate table from the Kaypro patch, and guess what:

b38400:	db	0,no		;  38400 baud
b19200:	db	0xf,yes		;  19200
b9600:	db	0xe,yes		;   9600
b4800:	db	0xc,yes		;   4800
b2400:	db	0xa,yes		;   2400
b1200:	db	7,yes		;   1200
b600:	db	6,yes		;    600
b300:	db	5,yes		;    300 baud

Yup. 5 is 300, 7 is 1200, and e is 9600. Try the others in between, and let
us know what happens. Enquiring minds want to know!

[1] I don't know the _EXACT_ history of the Big Board, Kaypro, and Xerox
machines, but the QTERM patches for these are as close to identical as makes
no difference. I remember hearing that they all started from a common
ancestor, I'm only 99% sure it was the Big Board (version 2 I think). If
anyone wants to provide a full history feel free to correct what I've said
above.
-- 
	dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg			+-+-+ |
AKA:	dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com			  +---+

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Date: 22 Oct 90 15:35:20 GMT
From: pilchuck!dataio!fnx!del@uunet.uu.net  (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <751@fnx.UUCP>

In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>
>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like.
>I've seen it running and it seemed to work.  Needed extra memory and CPU
>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think.
>
Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the
68000 CPU only.  You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the
Z80 CPU.  (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone).

-- 
del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
                          Who is John Galt?

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Date: 22 Oct 90 20:17:38 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!trice@purdue.edu  (Phil Trice)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <5849@mace.cc.purdue.edu>

>In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>
>>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like.
>>I've seen it running and it seemed to work.  Needed extra memory and CPU
>>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think.
>>
>Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the

	This is true *only* for the 68K Cromix. They also sold a Z80
Cromix that one could run on a System 2 with several additional
banks of memory. As one might imagine, the Z80 version was, even on
a good day, a *dog*. I think the OS stabilized at aroung release 30.

>68000 CPU only.  You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the

	The 68K version also supported a CDOS simulator. This made
things fairly nice, since one could execute programs without regard
to what CPU (680[00,01,02] or Z80) or OS (CROMIX or CDOS)  they were
intended for. The loader would figure things out, and fire up the
appropriate CPU.

>del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del


All told, the Cromemcos were *not* bad products. From the start (and
they *were* at the forefront with the S-100 bus), the products were
well-engineered, and pretty solid. Save for a few incorrect
marketing decisions, they might have been a major player yet.

		-Phil Trice
		Purdue University Computing Center
		Microcomputer Repair Group
		Enad 135C
		West Lafayette, IN 47907
		(317) 494-1787
		ahp@mace.cc.purdue.edu

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Date: 22 Oct 90 09:59:24 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!daver!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:

> Not exactly.  I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay.  I could
> assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator.

What loader were you using?  And does it say what calls it puked
on?

> Z80MU does
> not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among
> other things.

What do you expect for an emulator?  It probably could be done
but I dunno...

>  if anybody knows of another emulator that works like
> z80mu (user interface) but does a better emulation, i'd appreciate
> hearing from you.

You and me both.  I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt
for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is
cataclysmically expensive.  I personally would not pay for her
stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize
us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her
company to "lose their shirts"?  Ah well, the heck with it...
(grin)

------------------------------

Date: 22 Oct 90 14:51:29 GMT
From: lotus!patman@uunet.uu.net  (Pat Mancuso)
Subject: Wanted: Intertec Superbrain info
Message-ID: <1990Oct22.145129.27722@lotus.com>

A friend of mine just acquired an old intertec superbrain, and he'd like
to decide if it's worth keeping.  Does anyone have any info relating
to this beast?  (I dug up an ad for it in the Nov. '79 issue of Byte)
They mention 32k or 64k versions.  What are the different model/feature #'s?
What disk format does it use?  I've got a Xerox 820-I that I could hook
a 5.25" drive to if it'll use what the '820 can write, or more conveniently,
if there's a PC program around that'll read/write the correct format...
Is there a user's group around somewhere (I don't remember- does micro 
cornucopia cover this one?) that still exists?  He just has the machine - 
no disks or doc, so any help (like a boot disk??) would be greatly appreciated.

(Email replies to me and I'll get the info to him)

Thanks!

Pat

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INFO-CPM Digest             Wed, 24 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  162

Today's Topics:
                        File Server -- failure
               Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc
                How to use unix dd to read Kaypro disk
           Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system
                  Need info for an S-100 bus system
         Need SVA ZVX4 PCPI Applicard Driver in binary form!!
                                 UZI
                         Z80MU info? (2 msgs)
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Date: 23 Oct 90 04:59:53 GMT
From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net  (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: File Server -- failure
Message-ID: <1990Oct23.045953.6048@actrix.co.nz>

I have been trying to contact the CP/M File Server at pallio!rna.
The address I have been using is rna%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com. I
have tried a few times, and each time it has bounced.  Included
below is a copy of the bounce message that I recieved.  If someone
is able to improve on this address, or suggest where it went wrong I
would be very greatful.
 
The file that I am most interested in is Unzip, although I wouldn't
mind a copy of the index and help for future reference. Please reply by mail,
there is little use wasting bandwidth on this.

What the mail daemon said:  [Slightly edited]

Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 15:51:55 -0400
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@comp.vuw.ac.nz>
Message-Id: <9010221951.AA08170@kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz>
To: ewen@actrix.co.nz
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
While talking to xait.xerox.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<rna%pallio@xait.xerox.com>
<<< 554 <rna%pallio@xait.xerox.com>... UnknownLocalHost
554 xait.xerox.com!pallio!rna... Service unavailable

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
From: Ewen McNeill <ewen@actrix.co.nz>
Message-Id: <9010222039.AA03393@actrix.co.nz>
Subject: 
To: rna@pallio.uucp
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 8:39:17 NZS
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3]

/send help to ewen@actrix.co.nz
/send index to ewen@actrix.co.nz

---
Ewen McNeill.				Email: ewen@actrix.co.nz
-- 

---
Ewen McNeill.				Email: ewen@actrix.co.nz

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Date: 23 Oct 90 21:08:36 GMT
From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!public!techie@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Bob Vaughan techie@btr.com)
Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc
Message-ID: <775@public.BTR.COM>

The correct command line to configure the kaypro for serial printer
is STAT lst: = tty:
to reconfigure for a parallel printer it would be
STAT lst: = lpt:

You can also make it automatic on startup by using  CONFIG (if you have it)
BEWARE of changing  con: using CONFIG. test it first using STAT.
CONFIG saves the changes to the current boot disk.

at least on my kaypro 10, I can set con: = tty: and use a teletype or
a crt for a remote terminal.

you can use STAT dev: to show what is currently set for I/O.


Bob Vaughan - techie@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!techie
            - techie@btr.com       - {fernwood,decwrl,mips}!btr!techie
1-415-856-8025 (My Robot)
Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine
I am me, I am only me, and no one else is me. What could be simpler?

------------------------------

Date: 24 Oct 90 13:20:39 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!mike@ucsd.edu  (Mike O'Donnell)
Subject: How to use unix dd to read Kaypro disk
Message-ID: <38642@ut-emx.uucp>

I am attempting to use the unix dd command to read
a Kaypro II diskette.  Has anyone done this before and
if so, what are the proper parameters.  The Kaypro 
diskette has the following configuration

512 bytes/sector
40 sectors/track
8 sectors/block
block size=1K
disk size = 191K (usable space)
extents/entry = 1
# of disk blocks total = 195
max directory entries=64
double density

I am trying to read this on a Compaq 386/33 running
Interactive Systems Unix.  What I hope to come up
with is a copy of the disk image on the hard disk that
I can then use to play around with and read some data 
off of the diskettes.

Thanks , Mike

------------------------------

Date: 24 Oct 90 06:00:45 GMT
From: mintaka!ogicse!plains!person@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU  (Brett G. Person)
Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <6435@plains.NoDak.edu>

In article <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>
>
>You and me both.  I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt
>for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is
>cataclysmically expensive.  I personally would not pay for her
>stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize
>us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her
>company to "lose their shirts"?  Ah well, the heck with it...



The one thing I'll say for her company is that they write some of the most
sarcastic docs I have ever read.  I like z80mu, but didn't want to shell out
the bucks because of the ahemmm.. attitude of the woman...

Just who is she, anyway.

-- 
Brett G. Person
North Dakota State University
uunet!plains!person | person@plains.bitnet | person@plains.nodak.edu

------------------------------

Date: 24 Oct 90 07:41:48 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct24.074148.23090@techbook.com>

In article <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>
>> Not exactly.  I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay.  I could
>> assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator.
>
>What loader were you using?  And does it say what calls it puked
>on?
>
   i was using cp/m load.com.  and the function was number 26, set DMA
address.

>> Z80MU does
>> not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among
>> other things.
>
>What do you expect for an emulator?  It probably could be done
>but I dunno...
>
   what do i expect from an emulator??   an emulation that works.  granted
it is free software (virtually) so i can't beef much, but all the DMA
address in cp/m does is tell the operating system where the next disk
operating is supposed to read/load the data from/to.

   this is used quite a bit in some utilities.  when loading a file 
for processing, the application reads in a disk block, increments
the DMA address by 128, and reads the next one, and so on.  it's a 
bit faster than doing a read/block move approach.
 
   as far as emulating a z80, it does a good job.  emulating cp/m is
another story.
 


  And now for something completely different...
 
  I have a california computer systems s100 machine that i am trying
to get back into working order.  it has three boards, a model 2810 Z80
cpu, a model 2065 64k RAM board, and a model 2422 Disk controller board.

  My problem is:
 
      What is the power-on jump address supposed to be set at so the
coldstart rom will be executed??  when i got the board it was set at
0000H, which didn't work.  I have no documentation with this machine,
so i don't want to resort to the trial and error method, checking all
65536 addresses, although by educated guesses it could be narrowed down 
to 512 or so.
 
      Also, if anyone else out there has a machine like this one,
would i be able to get a copy of the boot disk??  i have a bios
listing for this system, but don't want to go through the hassle of
building cp/m onto a floppy, and also the only machine i have here
(with 8 inch drives) is a tandy model 12, which has an ersatz cp/m
implementation.   (doesn't support movcpm and sysgen, which are a 
necessity for this type of port.)
 
   and another request...  i also have a kaypro 2 (1983), and i need
a boot disk for it.  

-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 1990 12:40:34 CDT
From: JDB8042@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU (John D. Baker)
Subject: Need SVA ZVX4 PCPI Applicard Driver in binary form!!
Message-ID: <901024124034.2020483e@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU>

To any and all CP/M'ers who use the PCPI Applicard,
And any AppliCard Gurus,

HELP!!

I need the driver for the AppliCard to use the SVA ZVX4 8" disk controller in 
machine-executable form.

I have the '.A65' assembly source but have neither the 'A65' assembler nor the 
'MAKEDVR' program required to assemble and link it.  (I would also need DRI's 
LINK, but I think MS's Link-80 can substitute).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If anyone can supply me with the assembled and linked '.DVR' file, then please 
do so.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

else if
  anyone can supply me with the 'A65' assembler and 'MAKEDVR' && 'LINK', then
  please do so

else
  teach me more about the structure of AppliCard drivers and I may be able to 
  hand-assemble it. (I am having trouble making sense of the relocation bitmaps 
  which follow the actual driver code.  The bytes I think it means to alter for 
  relocating don't seem to make sense when compared to the source code.

Thanks for the help,

John D. Baker ->An Apple ZCPR3 nut //


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Date: 23 Oct 90 20:34:11 GMT
From: dino!news.iastate.edu!spam@uunet.uu.net  (Begley Michael L)
Subject: UZI
Message-ID: <1990Oct23.203411.14829@news.iastate.edu>

A few people mentioned to me a program called UZI which was
a UNIX-like operating system for z-80's.  I looked for it on
terminator but I couldn't find it...

where is UZI located?

thanks,

-mike begley
spam@iastate.edu

------------------------------

Date: 22 Oct 90 13:34:07 GMT
From: usc!sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu
Subject: Z80MU info?
Message-ID: <15564.2722f552@levels.sait.edu.au>

In article <1088@iceman.jcu.oz>, zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz (Ross Alford) writes:
> In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
>>Hi:
>>
>>Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU?  It has color
>>and alot more "good stuff" in it.  UNfortunately, the registration price is a
>>bit steep. Anyways, There you go.  We got it over the net, but I can't remember 
>>where now.  If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out.
>>                                          ^^^^^YAAAH
>>Ronn
> 
> There's a shout.  Can't do better over the net.  I'd definitely
> like to know the location of this new Z80MU.  

Hi: (again) 

The version is 5.2b just to whet yer appetite. . .
I think we got it from the news system uuencoded!?  Must go ask, I forgot.

If WCtW, I'll post it similarly here (Is that ok?)

If not, well we'll work it out.

Ronn

------------------------------

Date: 22 Oct 90 10:02:43 GMT
From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!caen!umich!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Z80MU info?
Message-ID: <9qTFR3w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz (Ross Alford) writes:

> In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au write
> >Hi:
> >
> >If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out.
> >                              ^^^^^YAAAH
> >Ronn
> 
> There's a shout.  Can't do better over the net.  I'd definitely
> like to know the location of this new Z80MU.  
> 
> Thanks in advance

I wouldn't mind either.  But I still have problems with Joan
Riff's expecting some huge amount of money.  I mean seriously, is
Z80MU worth $150?  22NICE seems to be just that, NICE, and it's
only $25-$40.

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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #163
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INFO-CPM Digest             Thu, 25 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  163

Today's Topics:
                        CP/M Software at ncsu
                     Joan Riff and Z80M (2 msgs)
                   Kaypro disk with unix dd command
                  Need info for an S-100 bus system
                        Otrona Attache PC Info
                      Reply to Kermitting to Vax
                            vt180 manuals
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 13:33:23 EDT
From: Mack Goodman <mdgoodma@crdec8.apgea.army.mil>
Subject: CP/M Software at ncsu
Message-ID: <9010251333.aa14543@crdec8.apgea.army.mil>

Ross Alford wrote recently about how this site (128.109.153.4)
had CP/M software.  I am greatful for that but I cannot  seem
to retrieve any of it.  Could someone, who has done it, explain to
me how to FTP to this site.  Anonymous doesn't let me log in.

Any help?

Mack Goodman

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Date: 24 Oct 90 23:32:32 GMT
From: umigw!mthvax!max@handies.ucar.edu  (Max Southall)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>

Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her
CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient
justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't
use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying
it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh.

References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu>

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Date: 25 Oct 90 18:05:00 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu  (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <15678@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>

Actually version 3.10 of Z80MU is officially marked "public domain", so
one can use it with a clear conscience. If you have a V20 chip, I posted
to GENIE and SIMTEL20 a package in Turbo Pascal that emulates a CP/M
environment. It goes to more trouble than many of the early emulators
to get the calls right.. for example SD and DISK76 work correctly. I believe
that there are some undocumented manipulations of fields in the FCB bu BDOS
which are not handled, so the WORDSTAR install program, written before random
i/o, manipulated these fields directly, and fails on my emulation.
The package was distributed with source as V20BOOT.

Clarence Wilkerson

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Date: 25 Oct 90 14:58:00 EDT
From: "MAPLE::SNIPEHUNT" <snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu>
Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command

I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks
are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density.
As I don't have a Kaypro myself, I'm operating on what I recall reading
somewhere some years ago, so caveat coorespondent! :-)



------------------------------

Date: 24 Oct 90 23:52:12 GMT
From: titanic.cs.wisc.edu!tonyrich@speedy.wisc.edu  (Anthony Rich)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <11566@spool.cs.wisc.edu>

Dag Erik Lindberg writes:

>Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the
>68000 CPU only.  You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the
>Z80 CPU.  (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone).

That's Cromemco's "68000 Cromix"...I have an old version of it and
still use it.  But Cromemco also sold a different product called
"Z80 Cromix."  I saw it running once, a long, long time ago.

Here's a blurb about Z80 Cromix from an old Cromemco product catalog:

"Cromemco's CROMIX multi-user, multi-tasking operating system is a UNIX-
like system which is available for use on all Cromemco Z80-A microcomputer
systems with a minimum of 128K of RAM. [...]  Important features:

. Multiple tasks, multiple users [I wonder what response time was like?!]
. Multiple hierarchical directories
. Record level locking
. Interprocess communication using pipes & signals
. Execution of multiple processes in a single memory bank
. Prioritized process execution
. I/O redirection
. Flexible shell [Actually pretty primitive.  Looping via IF - GOTO...]
. Login with password, access permissions on files
. Resident, swapping-free execution of tasks and servicing of users
  through bank selection for rapid context switching."

Not too bad for a cut-down UNIX-like OS that ran on a Z80 and floppies.
I wonder if there are any surviving copies out there?

  -- Tony

--
-----------------------------------------
| EMAIL:  tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu  | 
| Disclaimer:  I speak only for myself. |
-----------------------------------------

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Date: 22 Oct 90 23:01:14 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!sugar!ficc!lloyd@ucsd.edu  (greg lloyd)
Subject: Otrona Attache PC Info
Message-ID: <MRL6E5D@xds7.ferranti.com>

A friend and I recently picked up a couple of Otrona Attache CP/M machines
at a company garage sale.  They appear to be neat little portable CP/M
machines: two DSDD 5.25" floppy drives, hi-rez graphics (well, as hi-rez as
you can get on an itty-bitty 4" screen), battery-backed clock, sound chip,
two serial ports and an expansion slot.  One machine is fully functional;
the other's motherboard is dead.  We got one Attache user's guide, boot
disks and some application software in the deal.

We would like to see if anyone out there has any schematics for the main
board.  We would gladly pay for the cost of copying, shipping and handling.
Maybe we have the software that someone else is lacking and can swap.

Also, one of the machines (the dead one) had an 8086 coprocessor board
installed in it.  It also has an IEEE-488 port on it.  We installed the
board in the working machine but it did not cause any difference in
operation.  Supposedly there are CP/M-86 and MS-DOS boot disks for the
coprocessor board.  If anyone has information on this board or has the 8086
disks please let me know.

Thanks in advance,
Greg

--------------------------------------------------------------------
J. Greg Lloyd
Systems Application Engineering
3655 Westcenter Dr.  Houston, TX 77042
lloyd@ficc.ferranti.com    ph: (713) 274-5260
--------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 11:52:52 -0400
From: EUDOH%sctnve@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Reply to Kermitting to Vax
Message-ID: <5A0A190B2739006F-SCTNVE*EUDOH@sctnve>

> Date: 16 Oct 90 01:19:32 GMT
> From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu1!vaxc!phs404g@uunet.uu.net  (G.Anders)
> Subject: Kermitting to Vax
> Message-ID: <60339.271aecc4@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
>
>   HI,
>       Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer)
>    files created on a cp/m machine to a vax??
>       The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it.
>
>                  ---Thanks,  Greg.

  I remember the first time I was introduced to kermit, about 5 years ago
and I haven't been able to live without it since....
Well, 1. the parity on both ends have to match....
      2.  the receive and send packet lengths have to match....
      3.  you can sometimes get away with having different file
          types set on both ends but most of the time they have
         to match...
      4.  finally, depending on how fast the vax responses, you may
         have to set a delay time, otherwise your micro-kermit will
         not catch the first initialization packet that the vax
         sends out and it will just sit there.....
        (on unix you usually do a <sleep :duration:> command, but on
        vax you should be able to set that parameter....

    that's the basic troubleshooting routine there....hope that helps..
 ___________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 01:20:38 EDT
From: crone%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu
Subject: vt180 manuals
Message-ID: <9010250520.AA05552@netcon.cua.edu>

Sorry - can't get to Larry Moore direct.

I have a vt180 with most of the manuals.  What do you need?

Tom Crone	CRONE@CUA.BITNET  or  CRONE@CUAVAX.DNET.CUA.EDU

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sat, 27 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  164

Today's Topics:
                          Joan Riff and Z80M
              Kaypro disk with unix dd command (2 msgs)
                          Xerox 820-II cards
                             Z80MU info?
                            Zmp and Qterm
                 ZNODE 51 down for technical reasons
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Date: 26 Oct 90 21:42:34 GMT
From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <NT5NR1w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes:

> Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her
> CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient
> justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't
> use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying
> it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh.
> 
> References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> <64

That's not necessarily true.  She puts her shareware fees much
too high for it to be with most shareware which goes from
$15-~$90.  Like I said in an earlier message, it isn't worth THAT
much.   If you consider unreasonably high shareware fees "not
liking Joan's attitude", so be it.  I consider her attitude as
only partly why I wouldn't buy it.  It's the unreasonably high
shareware fee that she asks which is not convincing me not to buy
it.

I guess the reason yo find it a convenient reason is because it's
so easily obtained.  It's distributed on the "try-before-you-buy"
basis that is shareware.  Also, just wondering, did you yourself
pay the $150 she asks for it?  Or did you find out about how much
she wants and then decide not to use it?

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 08:11:14 PDT
From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom)
Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command
Message-ID: <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov>

snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:

> I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks
> are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density.

Is this correct??  I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this.  I thought
that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!!  What's the scoop??

		 roger             rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov
					   icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov



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Date: 27 Oct 90 12:01:42 GMT
From: hayes.ims.alaska.edu!floyd@decwrl.dec.com  (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command
Message-ID: <1990Oct27.120142.10455@hayes.ims.alaska.edu>

In article <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes:
>snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>
>> I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks
>> are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density.
>
>Is this correct??  I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this.  I thought
>that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!!  What's the scoop??
>

No, kaypro disk format is double density on the system tracks too.  I'm
quite sure of this as I once dis-assembled and re-wrote the monitor ROM
code to use quad density drives.  (When it still cost money to get the
source code for it.)

When double density drives first came out there were a number of
systems that did make the system tracks single density.  The ones
that I knew of were all 8" floppies though, but I suppose someone
did it with 5 1/4 floppies too.

Floyd

-- 
Floyd L. Davidson   floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu    floydd@chinet.chi.il.us
Salcha, AK 99714    connected by paycheck to Alascom, Inc.
When *I* speak for them, one of us will be *out* of business in a hurry.

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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 1990 07:43:22 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Xerox 820-II cards
Message-ID: <"26-Oct-90 10:43:22 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

Grumble!  This bounced the first time.  It's a little late, but still applies.

--------------------------------

In reference to the card in Steve's Xerox 820-II, and in the spirit of general
information sharing (I saw some incorrect info), I have written the following
note.  :-)

---------

As has been pointed out, the Xerox 820 has NO card edge slots.  The 820-II,
16/8's or what have you ... the CPU board is the same for all of them, had two
card edge slots near the left side.

There were only 4 cards for Xerox 820's made in the USA.  Two of them were for
the left card connector and two of them were for the right.  In all cases, when
I say right and left, it will be as if I was looking into the machine from the
rear.

The left slot is for the drive controller.  It will contain either a floppy
controller card (works with both 5.25" or 8" drives), a hard drive interface
card (8" drives only), or NO board if it's a 16/8 machine with a DEM (Disk
Expansion Module).  Off the top of my head, the hard drive card is maybe 3"
tall, while the floppy controller is maybe 4" tall.  NEVER connect the floppy
controller card to a hard drive, as you will blow the floppy/hard drive
controller board down the line.  I do not think connecting a hard drive
interface board with floppy's will cause any damage, but I wouldn't chance it.

The right slot will contain NO board if it's a standard Xerox 820-II, a 16/8
board if it's a 16/8 (that's an 8086 system on a card, for those of you who do
not know), or a DEM buffer board if this is a 16/8 with DEM.

Now that I think of it, there was also a 256K memory expansion board for the
16/8, which plugged directly into the 16/8 board.  Very hard to find and
expensive.

I have seen notes where Rank Xerox (in England) may have made some additional
cards which went into the DEM.  (Note:  The DEM has a card cage which can hold
4 or 5 cards, one of which would be the 16/8 card.)  There may have been an RX
memory expansion card (256K) for the 16/8, and there may have been an RX fancy
video graphics board.

The most notable incorrect things I saw was that sombody said the 16/8 board
contained an 8088, and that the DEM connected up to the 16/8 board.

			~ Mike  (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)

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Date: 26 Oct 90 09:03:09 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu  (Ian Justman)
Subject: Z80MU info?
Message-ID: <yN6mR1w163w@ijpc.UUCP>

etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes:
> The version is 5.2b just to whet yer appetite. . .

I've had a copy of version 5.2b for a long time.  If there's
anything newer, I would love to know about it.

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Date: 25 Oct 90 17:24:09 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@ucsd.edu  (Charles Cotham)
Subject: Zmp and Qterm
Message-ID: <3012.27272788@urchin.fidonet.org>

Has anyone gotten Zmp or Qterm running on an Osborne 1? I haven't been 
able to find overlays for either one for the Osborne 1. Any help would 
be appreciated.
 
                   Thanks,
 
            Charles Cotham
            2205 Lilac St.
            Nederland, Tx.
                     77627

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Date: 25 Oct 90 18:37:20 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@ucsd.edu  (Helmut Jungkunz)
Subject: ZNODE 51 down for technical reasons
Message-ID: <1517@doitcr.doit.sub.org>

Hi everyone, 

I'm very sadly reporting, that due to a technical problem with the host system,
I had to shut down the ZNODE 51 reachable through NBBS Munich 08165/60041 for
the time beeing. We are working on the problems, but it seems we have to 
recompile part of the BBS's source code to achieve trouble-free connection.
 
For now - the MS-DOS machine and CP/M (ZCPR34) machine talk to each other in a
way they shouldn't. The host thinks, someone wants to log in, when the ZNODE
is resetting itself on the timed hours. Hopefully, we will get this going again
soon. If anybody should need quick help, drop me a line here at floenz1.
 
Thank you for your attention.
 
With kind regards

Helmut Jungkunz      -   jungkunz@doitcr

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INFO-CPM Digest             Sun, 28 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  165

Today's Topics:
       Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs)
                   Kaypro disk with unix dd command
                  Need info for an S-100 bus system
                             Turbo tools
                    unix termcap for Bondwell 12?
                          Xerox 820-II cards
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Date: 26 Oct 90 23:09:45 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct26.230945.23655@techbook.com>

In article <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G. Person) writes:
>In article <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>>You and me both.  I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt
>>for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is
>>cataclysmically expensive.  I personally would not pay for her
>>stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize
>>us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her
>>company to "lose their shirts"?  Ah well, the heck with it...
>
  an error...  i never wrote the above.  that was in a message i
followed up on...

-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: 27 Oct 90 22:35:07 GMT
From: att!westmark!billy@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bill D'Augustine)
Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1335@westmark.WESTMARK.COM>

In article <1990Oct26.230945.23655@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
> In article <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G. Person) writes:
> >In article <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
> >>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes:
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A simple plea to please stop cross-posting this converastion. You are posting
to five seperate newsgroups and it could be confined just as well to
comp.os.cpm, or just use mail


+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Billy D'Augustine                 | Mine is not to reason why,    |
| billy@westmark.com                | mine is but to do, or die.    |
+-----------------------------------+-------------------------------+
 

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Date: 27 Oct 90 20:36:47 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@purdue.edu  (Jeffrey J Wieland)
Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command
Message-ID: <1990Oct27.203647.25518@ecn.purdue.edu>

In article <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes:
>snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>> I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks
>> are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density.
>Is this correct??  I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this.  I thought
>that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!!  What's the scoop??

The only Kaypros that used single-density system tracks were the original
Kaycomp II's -- they had single-density drives.  I think that the Xerox
double-density formats had single-density boot tracks.  I have a friend
who put several 820-II's together, and I'll ask him about it (he still
has his Big Board, but he uses an Amiga now).
--
			    Jeff Wieland
			wieland@ecn.purdue.edu

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Date: 26 Oct 90 23:24:33 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system
Message-ID: <1990Oct26.232433.23958@techbook.com>

In article <11566@spool.cs.wisc.edu> tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) writes:
>Dag Erik Lindberg writes:
>
>>Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the
>>68000 CPU only.  You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the
>>Z80 CPU.  (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone).
>
>That's Cromemco's "68000 Cromix"...I have an old version of it and
>still use it.  But Cromemco also sold a different product called
>"Z80 Cromix."  I saw it running once, a long, long time ago.
>
>Here's a blurb about Z80 Cromix from an old Cromemco product catalog:
>
[blurb deleted in the interest of saving space to justify my filling
of said space with meaningless text that you are reading right now]

>Not too bad for a cut-down UNIX-like OS that ran on a Z80 and floppies.
>I wonder if there are any surviving copies out there?

   if anyone does have a copy of it, could ya let me know??  sounds like
something i'd like to play with, maybe port it over to an sb180 that
runs at 12 mhz or so...
 
   that'd be wicked... a multi-user, multi-tasking machine the size of
a disk drive enclosure, with disk!!
 
   now, another question - does anyone know who produces z80 compatible
chips that run faster than 8 mhz??  i think hitachi makes a 12 mhz hd64180,
but i'm looking for something more like an nsc800.
 
   no, the 12mhz v20 doesn't count...  it doesn't execute z80 code...


-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: 27 Oct 90 22:19:01 GMT
From: clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umlecla3@uunet.uu.net  (Brian Leclair)
Subject: Turbo tools
Message-ID: <1990Oct27.221901.16007@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

Could someone please send me a copy of ACCESS.BOX for turbo pascal
 The disk i have has a crc error I have all the others except ACCESS
 any help would be appreciated.

umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca
@

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Date: 28 Oct 90 08:14:42 GMT
From: uop!quack!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu  (Nick Sayer)
Subject: unix termcap for Bondwell 12?
Message-ID: <a71c0e.3f72@quack.sac.ca.us>

I am a unix sysadmin, and one of the users on my system has a
Bondwell 12. Some of the screen control codes he read off lead
me to believe it's soroc compatable (^[= to move, ^[* to clear,
^] to home, ^[T to clear to EOL), but he reports that this
does not work. He has tried MEX and IMP.

If anyone can help him out, he'd appreciate it. He's stuck
with readnews and /bin/mail, and that's no way to use unix. :-)
He needs to know what this computer emulates, or failing that,
a unix termcap entry. If it really IS a soroc, then he
would like to know why it's not working.

His e-mail address is gtittle@quack.sac.ca.us. He thanks you in
advance.

-- 
Nick Sayer               | Disclaimer: "Don't try this at home, | RIP: Mel Blanc
mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us  | kids. This should only be done by    |   1908-1989
N6QQQ  [44.2.1.17]       | trained, professional idiots."       |  May he never
209-952-5347 (Telebit)   |                     --Plucky Duck    |  be silenced.

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Date: 27 Oct 90 22:48:28 GMT
From: umigw!mthvax!max@handies.ucar.edu  (Max Southall)
Subject: Xerox 820-II cards
Message-ID: <1990Oct27.224828.17420@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>

There were a number of third-party controllers for the Xerox 820-II made as
well, which used easier to find/cheaper components than Xerox supplied. This
arose because of the large number of 820-II boards on the surplus market
that needed the controller cards which weren't available. Some of these are
still available at reasonable cost or even as build-it-yourself.

For the 820-I and 820-II, there are also hard disk SASI adapter cards that
plug into the parallel port (Z80-PIO ports) allowing use of a SASI/SCSI
hard disk controller and appropriate hard drives - ST506, ESDI etc.

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INFO-CPM Digest             Mon, 29 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  166

Today's Topics:
                       Big Board/Xerox history
                     Dutch CP/M "super comnputer"
                getting files from ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
                          Joan Riff and Z80M
                          Xerox 820-II cards
                            Zmp and Qterm
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 12:40 CDT
From: "arun baheti <sabahe@macalstr.edu>" <SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU>
Subject: Big Board/Xerox history

Yes, the Xerox systems and Kaypros were both based upon the Big Board.
The 820-I is, for all intents and purposes to me, a Big Board with some
frills.  The -II and 16/8 became progressively different from the mother
system (evolution, I suppose is the word).  The same is true of the Kaypro
systems; they started out as Big Boards with some changes, and then
progressed, although on divergent paths from the Xerox line.  This
explains the communications ports similarities, and the basic screen
code similarities.

--ab

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Date: 28 Oct 90 03:30:49 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!mirror!pallio!dg@ucsd.edu  (David Goodenough)
Subject: Dutch CP/M "super comnputer"
Message-ID: <XX00011eaf@pallio.UUCP>

A while back, there were some postings about a multiuser CP/M system that
had been built by some people in Holland (???). Does anyone have them
saved away, because I'd really like to get copies of them. I saw them go
by here, but didn't save, and now I regeret not having done so.

			Thanks in advance,
-- 
	dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough		+---+
						IHS	| +-+-+
	..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg			+-+-+ |
AKA:	dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com			  +---+

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Date: 28 Oct 90 08:24:49 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@uunet.uu.net  (Ross Alford)
Subject: getting files from ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Message-ID: <1141@iceman.jcu.oz>

mdgoodma@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (Mack Goodman) writes:
>Ross Alford wrote recently about how this site (128.109.153.4)
>had CP/M software.  I am greatful for that but I cannot  seem
>to retrieve any of it.  Could someone, who has done it, explain to
>me how to FTP to this site.  Anonymous doesn't let me log in.
>
>Any help?
>
>Mack Goodman

I apologise for any problems this may have caused.  I have downloaded several
files from this site, which appears to be a VAX at North Carolina STtate
University.  I have always used this technique:

Step 0:   CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD ON YOUR HOME SYSTEM!!!  This is important as
            you'll see in a moment.
Step 1:   Use telnet to connect to 128.109.153.4, ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Step 2:   When the site asks for your user id, tell it PUBLIC
Step 3:   The site will scroll an opening screen at you.  Press Q at its end
Step 4:   Tell it yes or no for terminal type=vt100
Step 5:   Tell it S for Software (The News is all local)
Step 6:   Enter VOL.  The system lists categories, allows you to select one
Step 7:   (less detail) Work out what you want.  Get into it's volume
Step 8:   Tell the system you want to GET
Step 9:   Tell the system the name of the file
Step 10:  Tell it you want to get it using F for FTP
Step 11:  Tell it your node address, either as numeric ID or name,
            for example, marlin.jcu.edu.au
Step 12:  Tell it your userid, or if your machine allows uploads via
            anonymous FTP, maybe you could tell it anonymous.  I dont't know,
            since mine doesn't.  NOTE that userids with lowercase characters
            eg. UN*X ids, must be enclosed in " marks.
Step 13:  This is the reason for changing your password to something before
            you start--tell it your password, enclosed in " if it contains
            significant lowercase.  Again, if your machine allows anonymous
            uploads, you might be able to get away with telling it something
            that your machine would accept as a password from an anonymous
            FTP uploader.  I don't know.
Step 14:  Tell it the path for the directory to upload to, or press return
            to have it upload into the directory it will be logged into
            when it logs on (your home directory if you've given it your
            own id).
Step 15:  The NCSU machine will connect to your home machine via ftp, using the
            id and password and path you have provided.  It will upload the
            file you've selected.  I've obtained both text and binary files
            this way, and neither sort gets mangled.
Step 16:  After it has uploaded the file to your machine, it will return control
            to you.  You can continue doing whatever.
Step 17:  You work out how to log off.
Step 18:  CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD BACK TO NORMAL IMMEDIATELY, if you have had the
            ncsu machine log on as anything other than anonymous.

Complex?  You bet.  It does work, though, and there is a very good selection
of software available, including lots of IBMPC, Mac, CP/M, Tandy 100/102.  In
my original posting I suggested that it should be possible to FTP directly from
128.109.153.4.  When I said that, I was relying on some information that had
appeared in comp.sys.tandy re the NCSU site.  That poster suggested that you
should FTP to the site, then give FTP the userid PUBLIC.  I hadn't tried this
then.  I have now, and it doesn't seem to work.  The above method does, and
shouldn't be too dangerous if you change your password immediately before
and after allowing the ncsu machine to send you files.


Ross Alford
zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au

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Date: 29 Oct 90 02:57:06 GMT
From: njin!uupsi!grebyn!bob@rutgers.edu  (Robert A. Baumann)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <22875@grebyn.com>

In article <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes:
> Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her
> CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient
> justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't
> use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying
> it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh.
> 
> References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu>


Er... This is a fascinating discussion. What's intriguing to me is that
Z80MU *DOES* support the "set DMA" call perfectly well! Furthermore,
every assembler and compiler and loader that we've come across works
perfectly well under Z80MU. At least, they work perfectly well under
LEGITIMATE copies of Z80MU.

Is it possible that somebody is using a corrupted copy of Z80MU? That's
the only logical explanation that I can think of. We have seen quite a few
corrupted copies out there. Who knows how or why it happens, but that's
the breaks of Electronic Distribution. Once you let it out, you can't
control what happens to it.

I'm setting the record straight because I own Z80MU. Not a copy of it. The
*REAL* Z80MU that Joan Riff wrote for me 4 years ago and that I rewrote
myself. That's how I know that a *REAL* copy supports CP/M 2.2 perfectly
well, even down to redirecting hardware I/O port addresses to 16-bit
IBM PC port addresses for you fanatics who *REALLY* want to run a CP/M
version of KERMIT or whatever.

Drop me a line. I'll be glad to help to identify legitimate copies of
Z80MU 3.10 (the last public domain version) and Z80MU 5.2b (the
current, commercial version).

There are thousands of folks running *LOTS* of off-the-wall CP/M software
with Z80MU, and just about everything works perfectly well for them.

Gosh, maybe there *ARE* benefits to buying a legitimate copy...

  Bob Baumann
  Computerwise Consulting Services
  P.O. Box 813, McLean, VA 22101
  (703) 450-7175

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 1990 11:43:55 PST
From: Sprague.WBST311@xerox.com
Subject: Xerox 820-II cards
Message-ID: <"29-Oct-90 14:43:55 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>

While my message was not clear on this, I was speaking only of cards made by
Xerox, not third party.

I am quite interested in hearing about third party cards for the Xerox 820-II
computers, especially alternate hard drive controllers!  If anyone has
information on any of them, especially if they can still be purchased, I would
love to hear about it.

				~ Mike  (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)

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Date: 28 Oct 90 09:09:05 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!schauerd%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net  (Klaus Schauer)
Subject: Zmp and Qterm
Message-ID: <6085@balu.UUCP>

> Has anyone gotten Zmp or Qterm running on an Osborne 1? I haven't been 
> able to find overlays for either one for the Osborne 1. Any help would 
> be appreciated.

I wrote ZMP V1.5 and MEX V1.14 modem programm overlays for the 
OSBORNE 1. Both supported most of the needed functions - baud 
rate switch, bits, modem init, break, disconnect, etc. The MEX 
overlay also emulate an VT100 (ANSI) terminal.
If you work with an 2400 baud modem my hardware extention would 
be useful for you. This extention use the OSBORNE 1 modem port to 
generate an real RS - 232 C interface. So you can send an break 
and disconnect to the modem . The overlays works with the 
extention and allow to switch between three (four) baud rates 
-300,600,1200,2400-.
If you are interested in the overlays or in the schematics please 
contact me.

Klaus Schauer
Auf den Kempen 31
D-4052 Korschenbroich 2
Germany (West)

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INFO-CPM Digest             Tue, 30 Oct 90       Volume 90 : Issue  167

Today's Topics:
       BatchFTP v1.02 for BSD Unix now available from SIMTEL20
                   Compupro - MP/M 8-16 info wanted
                     Joan Riff and Z80M (2 msgs)
                       NewWord printer overlay
                            Z80 emulators
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 1990  14:06 MST
From: Keith Petersen <w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: BatchFTP v1.02 for BSD Unix now available from SIMTEL20
Message-ID: <KPETERSEN.12633998502.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>

The following program is being announced here because it will assist
users who have access to SIMTEL20 from BSD Unix hosts on the Internet.

Now available via anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20:

Directory pd3:<misc.unix>
BATCHFTP102.TAR-Z

BatchFTP (v1.02) is a very useful BSD Unix program to automate
connections to anonymous ftp sites.  The program can be run as
a background process while the user does other work or logs out.

Rename the file to batchftp.tar.Z, uncompress, and extract with tar.
See the doc file for directions on how to compile and use the program.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74]
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil    or     w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz              BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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Date: 30 Oct 90 15:48:03 GMT
From: ames.arc.nasa.gov!rrobinson@ames.arc.nasa.gov  (Randall W. Robinson)
Subject: Compupro - MP/M 8-16 info wanted
Message-ID: <1990Oct30.154803.15391@news.arc.nasa.gov>

A while back, I got a compupro system.  Unfortunatly, the supply of
documentation is limited.
It came with G & G's MP/M 8-16 (I am assuming that G & G engineering
took standard MP/M and added 
goodies to it). I suspect that it is missing some of the utilities, but
I cannot be sure, due to 
the missing documentation.


1) What is the proper way to put it into multi-user.  I tried to do it
by typing "logout" and
get a login prompt at the terminals (currently only two).  I can login,
but it does not seem to
recognize that a user on on the system.  For example, I sent my self
mail, I looked at it manually,
but I cannot read it with mail ("you have no mail").  What am I doing wrong?

2) How do I set the default buad rate on the console port.  It wants to
be 19.2 at power-up. I can
change it to 9600 after I issue the "logout", but it goes back to 19.2
after reset or power-up.

3) What would be a default set of parameters for a gen.  I have them for
standard Digital Research
MP/M, but G & G appears to be different.  I have looked at things on the
disks that I have, but
they look like they are not "standard".

4) Any other information they you might have on this system.


-- Randall W. Robinson

 rrobinson@ames.arc.nasa.gov

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Date: 30 Oct 90 04:13:51 GMT
From: vsi1!zorch!ditka!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@apple.com  (Frank Zsitvay)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <1990Oct30.041351.17147@techbook.com>

In article <22875@grebyn.com> bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes:
>In article <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes:
>> Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her
>> CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient
>> justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't
>> use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying
>> it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh.
>> 
>> References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <PLTFR2w163w@ijpc.UUCP> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu>
>
>
>Er... This is a fascinating discussion. What's intriguing to me is that
>Z80MU *DOES* support the "set DMA" call perfectly well! Furthermore,
>every assembler and compiler and loader that we've come across works
>perfectly well under Z80MU. At least, they work perfectly well under
>LEGITIMATE copies of Z80MU.
>
  the copy of z80mu i have is version 3.10, dated 3/14/86.  it does not
run load.com, the cp/m hex loader.  i doubt that it is a corrupted
copy (i.e. corrupted by a missed error in transfer) because it gives
me an error message.  it doesn't lock up the system, it terminates
the loader, says that i'm trying to use an unsupported feature, and
gives me back the artificial ccp prompt.  it even identifies the
function i'm trying to use.  if the gremlins of crc error dectection
are at work, they sure did a thorough job!!

>Is it possible that somebody is using a corrupted copy of Z80MU? That's
>the only logical explanation that I can think of. We have seen quite a few
>corrupted copies out there. Who knows how or why it happens, but that's
>the breaks of Electronic Distribution. Once you let it out, you can't
>control what happens to it.
>
   now, there is always the possibility that somebody "patched" it
to make it fail, but i doubt this.  most idiots that go to the trouble
to do that would have done other things, like low leveled my hard
disk, written sporatic trash into the directory, or scrambled the
FAT.
 
   z80mu is nice, when it works.  it's about as fast as a 2mhz z80 on
my system (16mhz 286 with neat chipset and very fast ram) but it seems
that it (at least the one i have) doesn't emulate cp/m as well as i need
for my uses, so i'll probably stick to running cp/m code on a cp/m
machine.
 
   the z80 emulation is fine, but if it can't run cp/m then it's
REALLY an orphan.


>I'm setting the record straight because I own Z80MU. Not a copy of it. The
>*REAL* Z80MU that Joan Riff wrote for me 4 years ago and that I rewrote
>myself. That's how I know that a *REAL* copy supports CP/M 2.2 perfectly
>well, even down to redirecting hardware I/O port addresses to 16-bit
>IBM PC port addresses for you fanatics who *REALLY* want to run a CP/M
>version of KERMIT or whatever.
>
>Drop me a line. I'll be glad to help to identify legitimate copies of
>Z80MU 3.10 (the last public domain version) and Z80MU 5.2b (the
>current, commercial version).
>
>There are thousands of folks running *LOTS* of off-the-wall CP/M software
>with Z80MU, and just about everything works perfectly well for them.
>
>Gosh, maybe there *ARE* benefits to buying a legitimate copy...
>
>  Bob Baumann
>  Computerwise Consulting Services
>  P.O. Box 813, McLean, VA 22101
>  (703) 450-7175


-- 
fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that....

American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!!

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Date: 30 Oct 90 18:17:17 GMT
From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!shamash!zeke@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Robert Scott)
Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M
Message-ID: <27826@shamash.cdc.com>

What an interesting discussion about Joan Riff and her software.  Now
how about you move it to misc.elsewhere?

Zeke

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~ From the Shrine of the "Last Gasp of ETA Systems" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Extra zesty disclaimer:  MINE! MINE! ALL MINE! <chortle snort froth drool>
Robert K. "Zeke" Scott        internet: zeke@eta.cdc.com
Control Data Corp, Supercomputer Support Group

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Date: 29 Oct 90 19:28:02 GMT
From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!dciem!lfergus!larry@rutgers.edu  (Larry Moore)
Subject: NewWord printer overlay
Message-ID: <XX0000031b@lfergus.UUCP>

Just bought a Fujitsu DL100, now I've got to get it to work with 
Newword.  Could someone tell me how Newword's printer overlay 
works?  Looks like I'll have to install the Fujitsu manually since 
it's not on the printer menu and, of course, none of the 
dot-matrix printers on the menu work.
Thanks for any help.

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Date: 30 Oct 90 19:49:31 GMT
From: uop!quack!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu  (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Z80 emulators
Message-ID: <a72a05.1701@quack.sac.ca.us>

If anyone cares, I also have written a Z-80 interpreter and CP/M
system for unix, and it's currently in beta-test. It is painfully
slow, but that's to be expected, really. The BIOS is written in
C, but the BIOS table can be played with, if you want, and BIOS
can be moved "down" to make himem space available.

Since it's in Beta, there's tons of debug stuff in the code that
will probably come out (special thanks to eichin@athena.mit.edu
for all his bug fixes), but it appears to run pretty well.

The interpreter also has interrupt hooks, and all sorts of other
junk. It actually simulates a Mostek MK-3880, but that should
be the same thing as a Z-80.

If there is tremendous interest, I could post the thing to
comp.sources.misc, but the codes sort of messy right now.

The code is copy-lefted. You can pass it around, but you can't
charge for it.

-- 
Nick Sayer               | Disclaimer: "Don't try this at home, | RIP: Mel Blanc
mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us  | kids. This should only be done by    |   1908-1989
N6QQQ  [44.2.1.17]       | trained, professional idiots."       |  May he never
209-952-5347 (Telebit)   |                     --Plucky Duck    |  be silenced.

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